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Aug 5 2011 05:24pm
You have a problem here
While losing major res from coh and jalals (in one setup with guills)
You will switch On tgodz instantly after your Druid fails against meph, tgodz sorb will not make up for the wisp you are also missing and the lost res from coh and jalals
So your putting tgodz on for no reason, wasting the space to have your needed dungos, which you don't have in the first place
I know from experience, you don't, you haven't even made one yet

Ps-your 5k life is nothing without res/sorb, you'll get killed in 1-5 hits from meph, and no carrion against Lilith??? 1 shot guaranteed

e/ with my setup, CoH, jalal's, wisp. it is worth removing dungos, because you will be sorbing enough and have enough res, your lack of sorb/res cant handle the removal of dungos, cause your losing important stuff, and not gaining any (tgods is only good for the light sorb/res)
and even then, i hate putting on tgods, because it makes your out come meaning mephs life going down, absolutly horrid, you need the sorb though

This post was edited by pensfanlf on Aug 5 2011 05:36pm
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Aug 5 2011 09:21pm
Quote (nsx56 @ Aug 5 2011 06:06pm)
No where you mentionned that you need to get up to 250 stacked res in your build (300 would be better but I guess with your 6k+ hp, you can lack some). Also you talk of those like it's super easy to get full perfect gear. 30res fort, 20res anni and 11res scs (8x of each to reach 250 stacked res) will cost you! Anyone who doesn't know that he needs that 250 stacked res will get killed within 5seconds in Tristram just cause you didn't mention it in your supposibly "better" wolf druid uber build.

In order to reduce that need of scs, you'll need to get CoH and guess what.. Not only your damage will be just as good due to the 200% dmg to demons (3x your dmg), you'll also get +2 skills, +8 DR and a additional 35 res! That cuts 3x 11 res scs each!

Both setup will most likely work, but a 30res fort + 32x 11 res scs (8 of each) will cost you alot more for the same results. Your build is nowhere near a "better" version.. it lacks the most important information.. survival.

Now, PLEASE go try your own build and talk from own experience in this current version: 1.13!


Quote (pensfanlf @ Aug 5 2011 06:24pm)
You have a problem here
While losing major res from coh and jalals (in one setup with guills)
You will switch On tgodz instantly after your Druid fails against meph, tgodz sorb will not make up for the wisp you are also missing and the lost res from coh and jalals
So your putting tgodz on for no reason, wasting the space to have your needed dungos, which you don't have in the first place
I know from experience, you don't, you haven't even made one yet

Ps-your 5k life is nothing without res/sorb, you'll get killed in 1-5 hits from meph, and no carrion against Lilith??? 1 shot guaranteed

e/ with my setup, CoH, jalal's, wisp. it is worth removing dungos, because you will be sorbing enough and have enough res, your lack of sorb/res cant handle the removal of dungos, cause your losing important stuff, and not gaining any (tgods is only good for the light sorb/res)
and even then, i hate putting on tgods, because it makes your out come meaning mephs life going down, absolutly horrid, you need the sorb though




Stop trolling kids. lmk where i said use tgods, b/c i never said that.

who said you need 32x scs? You need 5-10 in lit res that thats it. you dont need to stack fire. positive res + 2 ravens takes care of the cold damage.

dungos is fucking terrible noob shit. the +vita doesnt get bonus from bo or wearwolf. dr is the same as string. 8 life rep is a joke in pvm when you have life tap.
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Aug 5 2011 09:35pm
Quote (louisxiv42 @ Aug 6 2011 12:21am)
Stop trolling kids. lmk where i said use tgods, b/c i never said that.

who said you need 32x scs? You need 5-10 in lit res that thats it. you dont need to stack fire. positive res + 2 ravens takes care of the cold damage.

dungos is fucking terrible noob shit. the +vita doesnt get bonus from bo or wearwolf. dr is the same as string. 8 life rep is a joke in pvm when you have life tap.


the question hasnt been answered, not a viable guide, has not been tested by its "creator", and i never said that you said to use tgods, when somebody... wait, IF somebody tries your guide, they will keep dying til they give up and put on tgods, which will not make up for the loss in res/sorb with your other gear choices, guide is certain to fail...

and you know its a fail too, you leave for hours after pretty much everytime you get proven wrong, then when you think of something, you come back and argue the same thing again or an unrelated topic
give up

also have noticed that your gold has not gone up or down from 39, meaning no character was made, and no keys were bought/no torches sold


Quote (louisxiv42 @ Aug 5 2011 07:44pm)
Stop quoting the wiki, and start using your brain.

this is what i mean by unrelated topic, any added info from other sites to show people your guide wont work, and you tell him to use his brain.. so sad
and i know you will call me a troll again, just cause thats the only way you can "get back at me"

This post was edited by pensfanlf on Aug 5 2011 09:54pm
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Aug 5 2011 09:49pm
Quote (louisxiv42 @ Aug 5 2011 11:21pm)
Stop trolling kids. lmk where i said use tgods, b/c i never said that.

who said you need 32x scs? You need 5-10 in lit res that thats it. you dont need to stack fire. positive res + 2 ravens takes care of the cold damage.

dungos is fucking terrible noob shit. the +vita doesnt get bonus from bo or wearwolf. dr is the same as string. 8 life rep is a joke in pvm when you have life tap.


Not trolling..

You said Pensfanlf wasn't taking any kind of critiism, well guess what, you aren't either! CoH will do just as good if not better than Fort, I've explained that many times already and would also be cheaper than a perfect fort.

You never mentionned in your guide how much stacked res you need. Without really high psn and light res, you will die within a second. You said to use antidotes against lilith, you'd need 3 rows of antidotes by the time she's dead cause she instantly re-apply her psn. Not only that, psn mages in tristram would drop you with your current resist (that's pretty sad).

2x Ravens will indeed take care of cold dmg, no worries there. And then fire res.. You say you don't need it but you want it in the positive! So yes, you would need a couple fire res scs, especially if diablo jumps you at the same time you're against another Uber.

One part you didn't really think of when you say that res don't really matter is the organs farming.. You won't be teleporting, so you need the res to go against those mobs before the minis. It would be kinda sad to have to use a rejuv to stay alive until life tap procs..

Btw, 5-10 light res will not be enough to keep you up against meph.. If you miss 2 hits outta your Fury, chances are that you will die cause of that low res.

And one last thing, life leech doesn't work on Meph, only life tap. Just mentionning this cause you say life leech is a good part of string of ears.

You keep on saying you only need "this" and only need to do "that".. Problem is that you haven't even tried your own build.. Haven't even tried different setups.. You're simply throwing those things in there without any personal experience on this current version. You simply guess from your previous experience in the game that it "should" be fine. That's not how you base a good guide.

Your guide needs more clarification, more specifics numbers you want to achieve. You need to let people know that they need a certain amount of stacked res to make it in and out without thinking "damn will I die.. Will I have to use a rejuv.. an antidote potion..". It should be a run in and out that takes 1min and it's cleared without having to pop a single potion or a maximum of 2 until life tap procs (since proc is low on dracs).

If I sound harsh, it's cause you spent your entire last night bashing on another wolf druid uber build. Now please, take my "constructive criticism" and stop calling me kid. I've been respectful, why is it so hard for you to do the same?
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Aug 8 2011 07:07pm
Quote (pensfanlf @ Aug 5 2011 09:59am)
way to rip off my guide, some of that is copy & pasted and you probably havent even tested it out
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=56773520&f=87


tested ur uber druid guide and also tried this 1.. so far i like this 1 cuz it kills faster imo.. but ur guide is harder to kill.. im more of the fast killing type of player so shaeld rib is better then ohm'd and guil helm is better than jalal's have a good day :D
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Aug 8 2011 07:13pm
Quote (Godest @ Aug 5 2011 01:00pm)
Smiter >


We all know that but the op wants to try something else other than a smiter.

Quote (louisxiv42 @ Aug 5 2011 12:16pm)
Description: An alternative uber killing character. This is meant to cheap a build that can survive ubers and do it fairly quickly.

Goal: High crushing blow %, fast attack speed, and high resists. Remember, crushing blow% > physical damage.



Gears
Gear: More Expensive Version [relatively]

Weapon: Upgraded Ribcracker [socketed with shael rune to hit the next break point]
Shield: None.
Helm: Guillaume's Face [socketed with Um rune}
Armor: 'Fortitude' Runeword
Gloves: Dracul's Grasp.
Boots: Gorerider
Belt: String of Ears
Amulet: Highlord's Wrath
Rings: Raven Frost X2
Weapon Switch: 'Call to Arms' runeword.
Shield Switch: 'Spirit' runeword in a Monarch


With this set up you achieve 100% crushing blow. Around 60% deadly strike, depending on level of course. Enough open wound % to cancel out the massive regen health that ubers have. More than enough faster hit recovery. Some life leech to help until life tap triggers from Dracul's. The string of ears is very useful. Providing life leech to help survive until life tap triggers, integer magic damage reduce to nullify most the mob's damage, and % damage reduce is a nice bonus. The damage increase from 'Fortitude' is massive. Well worth if the extra high rune if you are going to be running a lot of ubers. Even with casting werewolf ont he cta side, you need 52% ias to reach the next break point. While the sheal rune adds 20% and you only need 2% more, the damage per second increase is well worth it to reach the next break point. The speed much better than adding damage to the weapon. Also, the faster you hit the sooner life tap will cast.

Gear: Even Cheaper Version [aka not using another high rune for Fortitude]

Weapon: Upgraded Ribcracker [socketed with shael rune to hit the next break point]
Shield: None.
Helm: Guillaume's Face [socketed with Um rune}
Armor: 'Smoke' Runeword
Gloves: Dracul's Grasp.
Boots: Gorerider
Belt: String of Ears
Amulet: Highlord's Wrath
Rings: Raven Frost X2
Weapon Switch: 'Call to Arms' runeword.
Shield Switch: 'Spirit' runeword in a Monarch

Still 100% crushing blow but with less physical damage. There are quite a few options for armor other than 'Smoke', however. Smoke is a great option as the runes are very easy to obtain and it gives +50% to all resists.


Gear: Even Cheaper Version #2 Jalah based[aka not using another high rune for Fortitude]

Weapon: Upgraded Ribcracker [socketed with shael rune to hit the next break point]
Shield: None.
Helm: Jalal's Mane [socketed with Um rune}
Armor: 'Duress' Runeword
Gloves: Dracul's Grasp.
Boots: Goblin Toe
Belt: String of Ears
Amulet: Highlord's Wrath
Rings: Raven Frost X2
Weapon Switch: 'Call to Arms' runeword.
Shield Switch: 'Spirit' runeword in a Monarch

90% Crushing blow is reached. This set up will net you more life and attack rating than the fortitude build. Notice the boot switch from Gorerider to Goblin Toe. This keeps crushing blow as high as possible. Since the majority of total damage done to ubers is from cb%, think of the goblin toe as taking the majority of the uber's health 10% faster. Even with the additional skills from Jalah's, sheal rune is still needed to hit the next attack speed break point.


The short coming of all of these builds is attack rating. Angelic's amulet and rings is an alternative. The down side is that to get the maximum effect from the Angelic set you need to use 2 of the set rings and an additional high rune, Cham, or switch belts. Angelic amulet + 1 angelic ring + raven frost is an option to cheaply boost attack rating at the expense of lower average physical damage. Trang-Oul's Girth, the set troll belt, has cannot be frozen and massive life so it can be used instead of Cham rune if you want to go full angelic jewelry.



Charms:
This is meant for running ubers to get torches, so don't build around using a Hellfire Torch. Annihilus is quite useful for the extra stats and resists. The additional experience is also not to be over looked as you still get experience from killing the uber monsters themselves in uber trist even if the mobs no longer give you exp. The experience drops off as you get to level 90.
Shapeshifter grand charms are the way to go if you can get them. If you can't dont worry. Try to fill you inventory with resist and life charms as you can. Plain life small charms and plain single resist charms will help a great deal and are cheap or easily found. While obviously 45lifer SS gcs and 20life/5res all charms are best, don't worry if you are using 1x life small charms and 6-9 single res charms or plain SS gcs. They will make a large difference.



Skills:
20 Werewolf
20 Lycanthropy
20 Fury
20 Heart of Wolverine
1 Carrion Vine
1 into twister for the extra 7%
Rest into cyclone armor

Carrion vine will add to your health by eating the corpses of mobs that stray to close and get slapped with fury. There are too many mobs for poison creeper to be used to stop the uber's regen life. Heart of Wolverine will increase you killing speed while it is alive. It will die a lot but is a nice increase to dps and attack rating while it lives. Once life tap is cast you only need around 3000 life to stay alive, if even that much. Cast cyclone armor on the cta/spirit side before going into ubers and before starting battle with each additional uber monster. Do not cast cyclone armor during the battle with the uber. It does not absorb enough damage compared to how much you get from attacking a monster cursed with life tap.



Stats:
Strength- add enough for gear
Dexterity-none
Vitality- the rest after you have enough strength to use gears. Shift-click will speed this up.
Energy-none



Prebuffing:
This is easy as can be. People other myself long ago discovered that there is only one way to do this. Use the cta/spirit side to cast everything; cyclone armor, summons, and werewolf form itself.

1. start in human form
2. cast bc
3. cast spirit & vine
4. cast bc and bo for your spirit and yourself
5. transform into werewolf
6. switch to ribcracker



Strategy:
Kill one uber at a time. Others have made maps of exactly where to move so as to only battle one uber at a time. It involves going along the southern edge of the town. This keeps the minion mobs to a minimum so more fury strikes hit the intended uber monster. Having rejuvenation potions is a must to ensure you stay live until life tap casts. If your cold resist is low or lower, drink a couple of belt fulls of thawing potions. The more you drink the longer the additional resist from the potion lasts. Very useful versus uber Meph.
When battling Lilith, make sure to drink 2 full belt fulls of antidote potions before hand. The amount of time the potion's effect is active increases with every potion you drink up to a fairly high limit. Make sure to also keep a good mount of of antidote potions in the belt while battling Lilith and keep your trigger finger on the hot key to drink one the moment she poisons you.



Conclusion:
This is my first guide. While it is light on math and figures, I think the principles are sound. High crushing blow% combined with fast attack speed, life tap, decent physical damage, and resists is all any character needs to defeat ubers. This not meant to be the best uber guide or the fastest, but rather one for druids that can be built using inexpensive gear while staying alive and keeping killing speed respectable.


Looks like a good setup but wear a 20% sorb wisp when doing mephy. Diablo should be easy to take down if you can seperate him from baal. But when you face baal you may need to use angelics combo with 1 ring+raven because uber baal has high defense and ar is needed in that case. Gl on your uber run.
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Aug 8 2011 07:52pm
Helm: Guillaume's Face [socketed with Um rune}

i stopped reading here

there is no gut char with UM rune in any item

learn more

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Aug 8 2011 08:50pm
Quote (od_yard @ Aug 8 2011 06:13pm)
We all know that but the op wants to try something else other than a smiter.



Looks like a good setup but wear a 20% sorb wisp when doing mephy. Diablo should be easy to take down if you can seperate him from baal. But when you face baal you may need to use angelics combo with 1 ring+raven because uber baal has high defense and ar is needed in that case. Gl on your uber run.


agreed
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Aug 24 2011 11:19am
Quote (od_yard @ Aug 8 2011 08:13pm)
We all know that but the op wants to try something else other than a smiter.



Looks like a good setup but wear a 20% sorb wisp when doing mephy. Diablo should be easy to take down if you can seperate him from baal. But when you face baal you may need to use angelics combo with 1 ring+raven because uber baal has high defense and ar is needed in that case. Gl on your uber run.


Thanks for input. IIRC it is possible to fight each uber one at a time be carefully choosing where you walk. Meph then Baal then Diablo.
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