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Quote (Pari @ Mar 3 2011 03:35am)
^^...

but anyway i think sorces are cake aswell with my 1p dtalon, 50% ow and max res with bos


True, they are with that, but this guide doesn't mention much about that. He only suggests dragon talon with heavy hitting claws.

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Least I'm not fat.


You are correct, you are obese.

This post was edited by Bryant on Mar 3 2011 04:38am
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Mar 3 2011 09:16am
Quote (l.e.g.e.n.d @ 3 Mar 2011 00:07)
You're from Euro. Don't act like you know anything about being good at dueling.



Dclaw/dtalon are great necro killers, especially with ow. But going this route usually requires you to sacrifice a lot (86 fhr, 8 life rep, etc). It's nice, but it's not required to win.


meh I don't think its a lot^^ you can use a fhr sk if you want to keep the fhr and you do lose some rep but honestly you can do fine with less rep, high rep is always a good thing to have but usually not required to win either and imo dtalon helps more than the rep and extra life do

I feel that dtalon turns a disadvantage matchup to pretty equal or at least less disadvantage, dclaw with priv realm claws can turn it to advantage (at least vs vita necs) but its just not viable in realms

and there's a lot of awesome duelers in euro

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Mar 3 2011 09:32am
Quote (l.e.g.e.n.d @ Mar 2 2011 10:07pm)
You're from Euro. Don't act like you know anything about being good at dueling.



Dclaw/dtalon are great necro killers, especially with ow. But going this route usually requires you to sacrifice a lot (86 fhr, 8 life rep, etc). It's nice, but it's not required to win.


oki bro

Quote (l.e.g.e.n.d @ Mar 3 2011 12:14am)
You don't need wof or max fb. Mb is cute but not needed. Once you're good on trappers you will realize that these are all just crutches. You should be able to kill anything without relative difficult without having to need 6 different setups.
9x shadows are amazing vs druids (or nec/barb teams, but necs on East have horrible amp level so not really needed).


Did I say that hybrids and ghosts are barbs with trappers? I simply said to act as if they were so you play more carefully. Some rule sets allow hybrids/ghosts to use tgods or lolo setups, letting them able to tank godly amounts.

If you're a trapper and you lose to a sorc, don't play trappers.

His guide is cute, but again I mentioned that this was in no way supposed to be an all encompassing guide.

Edit: shout out to novice marvel. and his wife Jessica Jung because they want to be mentioned ;)


there must be no one fucking good bowa on east if you think you can actually win a good one with c/c setup lol

or maybe you only dueled rand ^.^

0 kick ? wut wut?
9x sk shadow awesome vs dudu? for wut? XD?

more dr? because with cube field you can use 2*6 fade claw and win 8 lvl fade, aka 8dr, and still have 8sk trap, with 9 sk shadow you lose dmg from 9 sk trap and win...9 dr.

good choice rly

or maybe it is for mindblast dmg, but sk trap for trap dmg are fucking better anw

and loled about 9 sk shadow vs baba nec, shit dmg vs barb bo'ed opposent, cool XD.

learn to build before act big pls

This post was edited by harg on Mar 3 2011 09:35am
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Mar 3 2011 09:47am
great guide, but expensive :(
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Mar 3 2011 11:50am
Quote (Bryant @ Mar 3 2011 02:32am)
If you're neglecting WoF on ANY assassin, you should be the one that needs to get good on a trapper.
MB is highly essential when fighting good bowas. Good bowas give C/C trappers huge problems, and are still even a good match even with MB.
The added increase in mindblast damage does in no way make up for the giant loss in trap damage. Going 9 shadows is just stupid.
Yes, you did say that hybrids and ghost are barbs with traps. Here, let me show you:



His guide is much better than yours.
You never mentioned this to not be an all encompassing guide.


Quote (Bryant @ Mar 3 2011 02:32am)
If you're neglecting WoF on ANY assassin, you should be the one that needs to get good on a trapper.
MB is highly essential when fighting good bowas. Good bowas give C/C trappers huge problems, and are still even a good match even with MB.
The added increase in mindblast damage does in no way make up for the giant loss in trap damage. Going 9 shadows is just stupid.
Yes, you did say that hybrids and ghost are barbs with traps. Here, let me show you:



His guide is much better than yours.
You never mentioned this to not be an all encompassing guide.


Ya man I need to get good on trappers. There are a total of like 3 good bowas left on East who know what they're doing.
You probably don't know how to mind blast or chain lock so you think mind blast is one of those weaker skills. I'm afraid that since you've been stuck in your little clique of hybrid and ghost fanatics that you don't even know how to duel. Leave your theory crafting and get good at actually dueling instead of doing your "intense" ww sin vs ww sin.

Quote (tudey @ Mar 3 2011 11:16am)
meh I don't think its a lot^^ you can use a fhr sk if you want to keep the fhr and you do lose some rep but honestly you can do fine with less rep, high rep is always a good thing to have but usually not required to win either and imo dtalon helps more than the rep and extra life do

I feel that dtalon turns a disadvantage matchup to pretty equal or at least less disadvantage, dclaw with priv realm claws can turn it to advantage (at least vs vita necs) but its just not viable in realms

and there's a lot of awesome duelers in euro


It's true that dclaw/dtalon let's you more capable of killing necs. But if you're facing good necs then these skills will hardly be worth the loss in life rep/life/etc.

Quote (tudey @ Mar 3 2011 11:16am)
meh I don't think its a lot^^ you can use a fhr sk if you want to keep the fhr and you do lose some rep but honestly you can do fine with less rep, high rep is always a good thing to have but usually not required to win either and imo dtalon helps more than the rep and extra life do

I feel that dtalon turns a disadvantage matchup to pretty equal or at least less disadvantage, dclaw with priv realm claws can turn it to advantage (at least vs vita necs) but its just not viable in realms

and there's a lot of awesome duelers in euro


Quote (harg @ Mar 3 2011 11:32am)
oki bro



there must be no one fucking good bowa on east if you think you can actually win a good one with c/c setup lol

or maybe you only dueled rand ^.^

0 kick ? wut wut?
9x sk shadow awesome vs dudu? for wut? XD?

more dr? because with cube field you can use 2*6 fade claw and win 8 lvl fade, aka 8dr, and still have 8sk trap, with 9 sk shadow you lose dmg from 9 sk trap and win...9 dr.

good choice rly

or maybe it is for mindblast dmg, but sk trap for trap dmg are fucking better anw

and loled about 9 sk shadow vs baba nec, shit dmg vs barb bo'ed opposent, cool XD.

learn to build before act big pls


Yeah man go cube buff vs druids you awesome dueler you. Wish I were as good as you.

Typical hybrid assassin spawns and Euros riding my penis.


Realize I made a typo in my guide. The wizzy needs to be shael'd in order to hit 9 fpa traps with fade.

This post was edited by l.e.g.e.n.d on Mar 3 2011 11:55am
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Mar 3 2011 12:05pm
how about you take suggestions and criticism in the right spirit rather than switching to defense assuming everyone's trying to trash your guide?
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Mar 3 2011 12:22pm
Quote (ashwinthegrim @ 3 Mar 2011 19:05)
how about you take suggestions and criticism in the right spirit rather than switching to defense assuming everyone's trying to trash your guide?


this

+ assuming that Eu players are all bad, when you haven't duelled them at all is ridiculous
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Quote (ashwinthegrim @ Mar 3 2011 02:05pm)
how about you take suggestions and criticism in the right spirit rather than switching to defense assuming everyone's trying to trash your guide?


Nah I know I'm the best.

Quote (Q_r @ Mar 3 2011 02:22pm)
this

+ assuming that Eu players are all bad, when you haven't duelled them at all is ridiculous


Ya man Euros good. Everyone crying about max block. You all fear the arrow.
Wouldn't expect much more of a realm where teams consist of zon/barb/nec/hdin
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Mar 3 2011 12:34pm
Quote (l.e.g.e.n.d @ 3 Mar 2011 20:29)
Ya man Euros good. Everyone crying about max block. You all fear the arrow.
Wouldn't expect much more of a realm where teams consist of zon/barb/nec/hdin


Its not about fear or anything. People just use bows here so whats the problem?
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