[QUOTE=SpiX,Mon, Nov 13 2006, 09:24pm][QUOTE=mass_bnm,Sun, Nov 12 2006, 02:53pm]phoenix in cs on barb= omg(u can't hit for 2 sec's after succesfull hit)[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't a phoenix actually be better than a stormshield for this kind of barb?
If you're using howl you won't really need block and phoenix would give you a nice dmg boost, not to mention the redemption aura.
I don't understand what you mean with the "omg u can't hit for 2 sec's after succesfull hit", explain please.

40% chance to cast firestorm on striking gives casting delay and u won't be able to hit for the next 2 secs
redemtion aura for what?u kill only 3 monsters in cs wich will give u 3 x 80 % chance to receive 95 life,thats realy nothing
and storm ownz cuz of res,block and dmg red % ofc.
defence goes to zero,but u still have max block,u only get hit more and u still use the mods on shield, 35% dmg red = nice when ur cursed with amplify dmg
and res speaks for itself

[QUOTE=QuQu,Sun, Nov 12 2006, 09:50am]Sec. the skills:

20 shout[/QUOTE]
This doesn't make any sense at all. If you're using berserk, your defense will be 0 after every hit you score anyway. Maxed shout is 19 wasted skillpoints imo. [/QUOTE]

it does make sence,u only go to zero defence when u go into "berserk"
u have full def when u tele or walk
altough i prefer to max howl first and shout as last,but lvl 97 = kinda ez to get

[QUOTE=QuQu,Sun, Nov 12 2006, 09:50am]- Amu : you can get highlords vor light ress and ds - i use serfains, which gives dmg bonus and 2 skills , imo best choice [/QUOTE]
It would be pretty damn stupid to use any other amulet than highlord for a build like this. I don't know what "serfains" is, but I assume you mean "Seraph's Hymn".
If you'd use highlord you would be able to replace those Laying of hand-gloves with Draculs. With berserk you're able to trigger lifetap (= invincibility), Draculs also give some str and 25% ow (which really isn't that helpful for PvM:ing, but anyway.. ^^)
The deadly strike from highlord is also superior to Seraph's "dmg bonus" and extra skill. [/QUOTE]

trigger lifetap with berserk = useless,its 100% magic dmg and u won't leech life at all
laying of hands rule cuz of dmg vs demons/ias(not needed with highlords) and huge fire res
lots of mages will cast lower resist so make sure u have full res when u are cursed(not poison)

for further info pm me or reply here ;-)

This post was edited by mass_bnm on Nov 14 2006 07:22am

fcr = needed when u wanna clear cs in baalruns,ppl nn dia after 2 mins,they need it after 1 min

cta +3 to get 2 skills more in bo?
less res on tele,no block,no mana,no fcr

u wanna make 50 fcr cs barb?

better usu 2 hoto's then

Look at the time it takes when you teleport from the waypoint to the seals and to the circle. With less FCR it might take a total of ~15-20 seconds. That for exchange of some extra Strength, Vitality and Lightning Resistance. Next to that, you told us it take ~2 minutes to take out Diablo... What's 15-20 seconds compared with that?

You don't need that much extra resistance when you teleport. You don't need block when you teleport, you don't need mana when you teleport, and especially not 2 extra frames of faster teleport.

50% FCR is fine.

we(qu and i) do cs in 1 min(or less),if ur slower u won't get any xp from waves(u don't gain alot of xp in cs),highlvls won't get xp from last waves(cuz killing dia then)
20 sec = alot in bruns,they only take 3 mins+-
why u need str?to wear what?or u need for 20 extra dmg?
more vita,u need more then 6k life?
nn mana when tele,u tele without mana or what?^^
nn block when tele,partly true,but,spirit owns hoto
hoto have 1 skill more,but u have same life with spirit cuz of 22 vitaity and u gain 3xx mana(with bo)

u clearly don't know what ur talking about ;-)

This post was edited by mass_bnm on Nov 14 2006 07:42am

guide sounds fun ! And you donīt need much fcr if you use TMC

Btw : Where is the Source that says that ancient armor gives undisplayed 5magic Absorb ?

So you do Chaos Runs together now? You didn't told us that in the guide. Since it would be impossible to Activate all the seals, kill all the bosses, and afterwards kill diablo in a baalrun, wouldn't it?

Edit: alone, that is.

This post was edited by CursedWater on Nov 14 2006 08:03am

Yep he showed me in a p8 baalrun. Just tele to seals, howl, kill seal bosses, kill dia, kill last waves, kill baal, ng

very nice I'm buidling it right now

http://www.d2data.net/
"click" base items
"click" armors
and scroll down

i never said it was magic absorb tho,can be physical absorb to

we all know(or should know) d2 doesn't display everything

grief dmg not displayed
dmg vs demons not displayed
and many many more

This post was edited by mass_bnm on Nov 14 2006 08:11am

cursedwater we do it seperated ofc.
we each have cs barb,and we both can clean cs(alone) in 1 min or less(nn help from others)

i do cs and set dia free and go to throne b4 w2 can spawn(most of the time even b4 w1 can spawn)

[QUOTE=mass_bnm,Tue, Nov 14 2006, 12:53pm][QUOTE=SpiX,Mon, Nov 13 2006, 09:24pm][QUOTE=mass_bnm,Sun, Nov 12 2006, 02:53pm]phoenix in cs on barb= omg(u can't hit for 2 sec's after succesfull hit)[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't a phoenix actually be better than a stormshield for this kind of barb?
If you're using howl you won't really need block and phoenix would give you a nice dmg boost, not to mention the redemption aura.
I don't understand what you mean with the "omg u can't hit for 2 sec's after succesfull hit", explain please.

40% chance to cast firestorm on striking gives casting delay and u won't be able to hit for the next 2 secs
redemtion aura for what?u kill only 3 monsters in cs wich will give u 3 x 80 % chance to receive 95 life,thats realy nothing
and storm ownz cuz of res,block and dmg red % ofc.
defence goes to zero,but u still have max block,u only get hit more and u still use the mods on shield, 35% dmg red = nice when ur cursed with amplify dmg
and res speaks for itself

[QUOTE=QuQu,Sun, Nov 12 2006, 09:50am]Sec. the skills:

20 shout[/QUOTE]
This doesn't make any sense at all. If you're using berserk, your defense will be 0 after every hit you score anyway. Maxed shout is 19 wasted skillpoints imo. [/QUOTE]

it does make sence,u only go to zero defence when u go into "berserk"
u have full def when u tele or walk
altough i prefer to max howl first and shout as last,but lvl 97 = kinda ez to get

[QUOTE=QuQu,Sun, Nov 12 2006, 09:50am]- Amu : you can get highlords vor light ress and ds - i use serfains, which gives dmg bonus and 2 skills , imo best choice [/QUOTE]
It would be pretty damn stupid to use any other amulet than highlord for a build like this. I don't know what "serfains" is, but I assume you mean "Seraph's Hymn".
If you'd use highlord you would be able to replace those Laying of hand-gloves with Draculs. With berserk you're able to trigger lifetap (= invincibility), Draculs also give some str and 25% ow (which really isn't that helpful for PvM:ing, but anyway.. ^^)
The deadly strike from highlord is also superior to Seraph's "dmg bonus" and extra skill. [/QUOTE]

trigger lifetap with berserk = useless,its 100% magic dmg and u won't leech life at all
laying of hands rule cuz of dmg vs demons/ias(not needed with highlords) and huge fire res
lots of mages will cast lower resist so make sure u have full res when u are cursed(not poison)

for further info pm me or reply here ;-)[/QUOTE]

I've never experienced that it takes 2 seconds to "recover" after I've triggered firestorm with torch. Not sure about this though, maybe you're right.
The main reason to use Phoenix, for this build, is ofc the 350-400 ed. Redemption is just a nice bonus, together with 50life, 10max fr and 5max lr.
You say you don't need redemption because you only kill 3 monsters, but is block really necessary if you'll only kill these 3 monsters?

I've changed my mind about shout. Didn't realize shout is a synergy for berserk before
I still don't think the defense is necessary though.

Draculs were just an example. You're right that lifetap won't be to any use when all dmg is magical. But if you don't need ias, I can't see any reason to use Laying of hands. Maybe bloodfists could be something? 30fhr/40life is always nice. Or some rare/crafted gloves with str/dex/life/res etc.

I also wonder; what's the point with a barb like this? MFing on diablo, or what?
You can't really make any diaruns to help other ppl exp etc, since it'd take too long time to kill all the monsters (not only the bosses).