i see u updated th3_0n3 guide, did u only add angelic, hsarus, fort setups, widow dmg in second post or more that i didnt notice?

i prefer little different scs setup tho :|

This post was edited by lopov on Nov 4 2006 04:33pm

btw, in the item section u only listed draculs for gloves, but in ur Public Duelling Setup u used trangs. Maybe u should note them in the Item section as well.
Imho Trang + Ravens are better for most opponents than Draculs + FC rings and for pub games anyway due to more Flexibility.

Yeah I was sure I missed a few things. Re-editing to make it easier to read took a lot of time, and I overlooked some random stuff.

Anyhow: Against a nec that does that, you might find it in your interest to try teleing around and directly shooting him with a Widowmaker. People that do that are boring, might as well just ignore them though. If he chases you around trying to IM + bonewall you all over the moor, just draw him out and try to tele zerk him [or WW] if he's persistent enough. It's a thought to use gloves with IAS on them to try and counteract the golem slow. Having a 40/15IAS in your Arreats helps as well, though if you REALLY want to get good zerk speed just for this specific encounter, you can get like a 3 soc lifer helm and fill it up with 40/15's for an extra 45% IAS rather than the 15 you'd get with Arreats. Just a thought.

Trang + ravens are only really superior to dracs + fcr rings in pubs or against cold sorcs. Dracs and FCR rings give you AR [not as much as the ravens, but AR isn't an issue against casters anyways], life, mana, resists, and a huge amount of possible damage [OW]. Trangs and Ravens can't really compare to that in 1v1's.

The update itself has one or two new matchup breakdowns, items, and revised stat setups/reasonings. This isn't the final version, so I'm not too bothered by the size of the update itself.

now that depends on the Quality of the Fc rings. I have simple 10 fc 1xx ar xx mana rings which cannot realy compare with ravens. I used Dracs + Fc rings only in 1on1 vs fire or light socs. Atm the Fc rings only come into use when i need to change arach for Tg or dungo. The dracs arent even in stash anymore. Vs fb and light i am fine with ravens 2 and dont realy miss the 25% more ow.

This post was edited by Black-Dragon-X on Nov 5 2006 03:29pm

Well, let's say that the FCR in question are above average. Even above average FCR rings are more useful than ravens. If they're not-so-good FCR rings, even then I'd have to wonder what exactly Ravens + trangs would be more useful for over Dracs + FCR rings.

Ravens + Trangs gives you AR and mana. Against the majority of caster duels the AR isn't an issue. Perhaps the mana would be useful, but even then..

Dracs alone would statistically increase your damage output by quite an amount [I'm even taking into account the possibility of you activating venom and having trangs increase the damage with the 25% PD mod]. The FCR rings [let's use yours for example] provide a seemingly decent mana source, possibily not more than the ravens [and ravens only give +40 mana]. The AR difference is noticable but again, it's not an issue for the vast majority of your duels.

Dracs + FCR rings simply give out more damage. If you eventually find fcr/life/mana/res rings, then the difference becomes even more noticble. Trangs + Ravens only give AR/some mana/Cold absorb [which is useless unless your opp is a cold sorc] .Dracs + FCR rings are simply superior 1v1 [unless it's against a Cold sorc or something].

afaik, De4dEyE = th3_0n3

good luck vs 95% es fb/lightsorcs without dracs. ow is a _huge_ factor vs necs as well, and very useful vs anything else. assuming your rings have more mana than ravens they are just fine. mana is the only needed mod anyway.

what do u use vs 95es cold sorcs when u need ravens and u cant use dracs ?

ps. i though about fury ba but dmg will suck

This post was edited by Moonlike on Nov 6 2006 04:50am

errr.

sucking damage is not your biggest problem against 95es sorcs, since you will _anyway_ need to win through ow. so yes, a fury ba is a good choice in this case.

either 40% fcr with dracs, griff, arach or 63% fcr with trangs. with 63% fcr i usually use doom-switch until 1 life, 35% ow is often enough with that mobility anyway. fury is good as hell but waste of space. i would consider muling it if i had problems in 1v1 with coldsorcs. then again 105% fcr switch with 2x wiz is probably better in that case.