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Jun 21 2010 08:09am
Quote (Ziecheik @ Jun 21 2010 01:45pm)
you're still trying to play it like a zealot with just straight use of dtalon, this is your main problem. if you want to be better you have to make use of the abilities the class has. DS and many other things as well.
those dont increase dps though
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Quote (yaf @ Jun 21 2010 02:09pm)
those dont increase dps though


build a zealot if you want dps.

kicksins have the advantage of cos/ds/minionstacking/mb/bf for support (cs and ph can also be added to that list although they are not used by most players), ds has a nice effect on top of aoe procs you can get on kicks such as static or frozen orb, and on top of that kicksins have a lot of freedom of skill points (no need for more than 1 point venom or high level dtalon) which means you can add high synergized LS on top of all that.
lots of support skills make kicksins very flexible characters for pvming anywhere in the game.

if you're goal is to just crank out as much dps as possible while using one attack skill, do yourself a favor and quit kicksin. build a zealot. or hammerdin maybe.

your vid is a good example as to why players should try actually playing a character through instead of just dumping endgame gear on a sp character. you have absolutely no idea how to control your character or know anything about your char other than the primary attack.
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Quote (Ziecheik @ Jun 21 2010 10:29am)
build a zealot if you want dps.

kicksins have the advantage of cos/ds/minionstacking/mb/bf for support (cs and ph can also be added to that list although they are not used by most players), ds has a nice effect on top of aoe procs you can get on kicks such as static or frozen orb, and on top of that kicksins have a lot of freedom of skill points (no need for more than 1 point venom or high level dtalon) which means you can add high synergized LS on top of all that.
lots of support skills make kicksins very flexible characters for pvming anywhere in the game.

if you're goal is to just crank out as much dps as possible while using one attack skill, do yourself a favor and quit kicksin. build a zealot. or hammerdin maybe.

your vid is a good example as to why players should try actually playing a character through instead of just dumping endgame gear on a sp character. you have absolutely no idea how to control your character or know anything about your char other than the primary attack.


couldnt of say it better
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Jun 21 2010 08:32am
yaf,Jun 21 2010 09:09am]those dont increase dps though "

sure it does. Kick one monster dead, the corpse explodes taking half the other monsters on screen with it. Bread and butter of sin play. Its like playing a summoner without using ce. Sure it can be done if your patient. Notice the use of cos :)

Riftsin , on players 8 , perfect gear (per my guide) @lvl 99
I only have fraps, so could only get 30 seconds, but its pretty clear the difference between our builds.playstyle with respect to kill speed.

A riftasin isnt really intended to be chaos runner for a party of levels 1s on p8 play per say anyhow. There isnt any kicker or trapper that can lay claim to this. With the trap skills my ls was ~6.8 and ds was ~3.5 plus all the kick stats. Jmod faceted and nightwings faceted. So it wasnt giving up anything to speak of on either tree.


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Quote (yaf @ 19 Jun 2010 20:58)
Guys i tried kicker in SP with godly perfect everything, and  it was a complete massacre. Was the slowest build ive tried so far, slower than melee necros, thrower barbs, etc :tombstone: What the hell did i do wrong. Gear at the end ps.
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv3IeUYN6w8
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AtAux0omYo


That was so painful to watch. Obviously dtalon isn't going to rip through an 8 player game.
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yaf,Jun 21 2010 09:09am]those dont increase dps though "

sure it does. Kick one monster dead, the corpse explodes taking half the other monsters on screen with it. Bread and butter of sin play. Its like playing a summoner without using ce. Sure it can be done if your patient. Notice the use of cos :)

Riftsin , on players 8 , perfect gear (per my guide) @lvl 99
I only have fraps, so could only get 30 seconds, but its pretty clear the difference between our builds.playstyle with respect to kill speed.

A riftasin isnt really intended to be chaos runner for a party of levels 1s on p8 play per say anyhow. There isnt any kicker or trapper that can lay claim to this. With the trap skills my ls was ~6.8 and ds was ~3.5 plus all the kick stats. Jmod faceted and nightwings faceted. So it wasnt giving up anything to speak of on either tree.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC2X-Vj30UA


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Jun 21 2010 09:02am
Kickers are the best and faster ubber killers
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Quote (Kos. @ Jun 21 2010 03:02pm)
Kickers are the best and faster ubber killers


uh... there are a lot of things pvm kicksins excel at, killing ubers isn't one of them. yes they can take down ubers solo. yes it has been done many times and for some reason people keep building "uber killer" kicksins. however a smiter built on a cheaper budget will do it faster and safer.
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