Quote (HotCoffee @ Mar 17 2010 09:36pm)

Guess i did forget that in the guide too

Characters that are hard for a mage to kill:

1. Wind Druid, with the wolves and the ability to recast really fast, makes them super hard for Mage.

2. Necros with good resist and know how to move/walk a hdin. The average necro doesn't have tons of resist, so foh usually kills them quick. If you get against a necro who has good stack, you are in for a long fight. Hammers don't often hit necros if they know what they are doing. If they know how to walk a hdin and use spirits properly then the mage has a difficult time dueling a pnb necro.


Somebody posted that trappers would be a problem. They are only a problem if you don't have your resist setup on and you try to tank them.
If Foh isn't killing them, or they are blocking it ( i think they can block foh with claw block iirc) I like to put on my 95% LR setup. Even with this setup on, lightning still hurts me a little because i'm not "absorbing". If i were to put dual whisps on then they wouldn't do anything to me. The Mind Blast would hurt more then the lightning.
Sometimes i charge them with grief and the resist setup.
Other times i can jump on them and cast a couple hammers and move away quick. Drive by hammers

But to recap, Wind druids and Good Necros are the most challenging for a Mage to duel.

Quote (haloneya @ Mar 17 2010 09:39pm)

well if you are to improve the guide you really should get advice for dueling most of all chars etc

Quote (HotCoffee @ Mar 17 2010 09:42pm)

Yeah, ive had a very large section before which outlines each possible battle you could have, including Team PK and even in situations where you are 1v4, 1v5 (etc..)

I decided to remove it for my last two updates because it seems like its a huge long body of text, words are sometimes hard to write to describe a specific dueling strategy.

I shortened it up a little for easy reading.

If you got any questions about how i duel a particular character, by all means pm me or post it here and i'll try and answer it.

Quote (haloneya @ Mar 17 2010 09:43pm)

oh trust me more text the better... we have a gude for a trap sin thats like a 1page... lol

Quote (tudey @ 17 Mar 2010 14:02)

foh is just pure garbage vs anyone with stack, mage is just pure pubbuild really, 15k hammer is way better than 10k hammer in 1v1, killing chars in 2 hammers instead of 3 or even perhaps 4 is a huge huge advantage

Quote (Master_Zappy @ 17 Mar 2010 22:08)

Very nice guide and good balance between Hammers and Foh.

9K hammers is not low damage at all for pvp. This build might take one-two extra hammer to kill a high life build compared to a pure hammer, big whoopie...It adds a ton more flexiblity with the foh damage.

1440 pvp damage
15K hammers in a pure build,  2400

extreme life comparison
7K life bvc  = 5 hammers on the 9k build. 2 hammers at 75 fcr = 20fpa , less then 1 second.
7K life bvc =  3 hammers on the 15.

Since most chars have much less life then 7K, its a difference of 1-2 hammers.
  (really only barbs and shifters get up here)

Quote (HotCoffee @ 17 Mar 2010 22:36)

Guess i did forget that in the guide too

Characters that are hard for a mage to kill:

1. Wind Druid, with the wolves and the ability to recast really fast, makes them super hard for Mage.

2. Necros with good resist and know how to move/walk a hdin. The average necro doesn't have tons of resist, so foh usually kills them quick. If you get against a necro who has good stack, you are in for a long fight. Hammers don't often hit necros if they know what they are doing. If they know how to walk a hdin and use spirits properly then the mage has a difficult time dueling a pnb necro.


Somebody posted that trappers would be a problem. They are only a problem if you don't have your resist setup on and you try to tank them.
If Foh isn't killing them, or they are blocking it ( i think they can block foh with claw block iirc) I like to put on my 95% LR setup. Even with this setup on, lightning still hurts me a little because i'm not "absorbing". If i were to put dual whisps on then they wouldn't do anything to me. The Mind Blast would hurt more then the lightning.
Sometimes i charge them with grief and the resist setup.
Other times i can jump on them and cast a couple hammers and move away quick. Drive by hammers

But to recap, Wind druids and Good Necros are the most challenging for a Mage to duel.

Quote (Tails chao @ Mar 18 2010 12:35am)

Mages are all wonderful and good for pubs, but it's really just awful in privs since it's effectively a gimped Hammerdin, which isn't necessarily a good char to begin with.



1 extra hammer is a BIG difference, 2 is immense, a zon is a prime example of that.



LR stack zons are waaay harder than necs.

Quote (HotCoffee @ 18 Mar 2010 02:44)

It depends i suppose, i find that at least with zons, they don't teleport and i can usually desy up to them easier to hammer them. Compared to a necro who is always moving.

Quote

Whats your opinion on why a LR Stack zon is harder?

Quote (HotCoffee @ 17 Mar 2010 22:36)

Somebody posted that trappers would be a problem. They are only a problem if you don't have your resist setup on and you try to tank them.
If Foh isn't killing them, or they are blocking it ( i think they can block foh with claw block iirc) I like to put on my 95% LR setup. Even with this setup on, lightning still hurts me a little because i'm not "absorbing". If i were to put dual whisps on then they wouldn't do anything to me. The Mind Blast would hurt more then the lightning.
Sometimes i charge them with grief and the resist setup.
Other times i can jump on them and cast a couple hammers and move away quick. Drive by hammers