The solution... what the heck are you talking about..

I'm talking about the fact that some forms of life are boostable and some are not whcih is what this post is about.

Ah, but that's something you can prove with a test that takes about 15 seconds.

If all life bonuses are boostable, the post-bo life must be equal to bo+1 times life pre-bo. Or rather, post-bo life divided by pre-bo life must equal 1+bo. Otherwise there is something wrong.

As for finding which types are boostable and which are not, the only way to do that is trial and error. Which I don't see anywhere in the post.

All I see is assumptions that certain types of life are boostable and others are not. There is no proof.

Therefore you just showed that you missed the point of the post.

Ah, maybe the error is not actually in the math, but in my thinking? Maybe I am thinking that it's enough to know that the solution exists until we actually need the solution?

As for what I mean by solution, I mean that there is exactly 1 point where Sur=Sapphire. From there, we also know that outside of this point, Sur>Sapphire or Sur<Sapphire. It's intuitive. I just have never seen any reason to actually find the solution because I never needed it. However yes, the idea itself is good, since you can use the same idea to determine the optimal level of synergies on hybrid builds. Which I think is much more important than this.



Yeah sure, I think it would be best if there was a graphical interface where you just punch in the required values and it does all the math for you. That's what the people also want. Or why do you think we have calculators? Oh yeah, because people didn't want or simply couldn't multiply or divide numbers that had tens of digits. Oh, and I've only done it once, when approximating the squareroot of 3 because I was bored. In the end, I stopped at it the 4th or 5th decimal because it was accurate enough.

So you are suggesting I made up all those values ? You are too focused on "proofs" rather than trusting the values I provided.

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/4057/basezx1.jpg (base values)
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/9393/setup1lq6.jpg (Setup 1 - unbuffed)
http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/3121/setup2xl8.jpg (Setup 2 - unbuffed)
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/8236/setup1bowh0.jpg (Setup 1 - BO)
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/3563/setup2boll9.jpg (Setup 2 - BO)

That clvl 89 sorc bloody isn't some joke I tossed in for a good laugh.


Blizzard obviously wanted people to explore the game. Which makes the so-called "3rd grade math" seem somewhat less silly.


It means I leave out people who put no effort into understanding anything.

I choose to believe that people would ask if something did not make sense to them.

This post was edited by Faelwen on Oct 2 2008 09:11am

Ah, but understanding the problem is rather hard if you cannot use the tools required to solve the problem, right?



If so, then why would you post this? That makes so that people don't have to ask the question, they find someone who has already given the solution for them. And that does not require understanding anything.

I, on the other hand, believe that people ask because they are lazy. It's easier to ask, assuming that there is someone with the answer, than to search for the answer. The required time might increase, but the required effort decreases by a whole lot. Or why do you think we have people here offering fg for the best guide, even though they are readily available in the stickies?

You see, I'm a cynic. I find it hard to believe that there is a LARGE group of people who are ready to admit their own limitations and ask a question because they don't understand something. After all, if you ask a question because you don't understand, that is the same as admitting that you don't understand, right? And I find that hard to believe. Ah, maybe I've seen too many mathematically illiterate people. Or maybe I believe that people like to overestimate their own capabilities to boost their egos. Which, by the way, would make perfect sense.



Yes, of course. For me, gaming math is like a hobby. I like thinking about stuff like the optimal skill setup or the optimal sensitivity or whatever. And what's best, it's simple. And I'm not altruistic enough to do it for others, I do it because I'm interested in the solution. Which means even if I did solve it, I wouldn't necessarily make it public.

Oh, and by the way, your teachers didn't teach you division and multiplication on 3rd grade? Mine sure did. And that's all I see in your math.



I'm not saying that. I trust you. I trust your math because I checked that the formula makes sense and works. But that's not my point. My point is that the other guy babbled some random nonsense about how you were trying to prove something. So, I just said that you didn't prove anything at all.



I trust that too. The level and the values aren't the kind that you would pick if you were building a theoretical character.



Ah, but doesn't the possibility exist that the made up the values and worked backwards from there? Though makes little sense, but actual photos of the in-game situation are concrete proof with no possibility of coincidence other than photoshopping which wouldn't make any sense.



Oh yes, being fast and exact are so important. Did I mention that my dream is to have humanity from itself?

This post was edited by olba on Oct 2 2008 09:40am

The proof is in the 2nd section, unless the maths and actual in game stats of the sorc are some kind of huge coincidence.

Whatever your hobbies are. I prefer to safe time, do more important things and be more accurate at the same time.

sticky

You do realise that you are currently en route to epitomising what you said right there in the last two sentences ?

If you want to discuss other topics, fine. But this is not the place to do so.

You've basically missed the point of writing a guide. I posted it, because I wanted to share the information.
Guides are a convenient means for collecting information in one place, making it easier to access.

And as long as some people find it useful, the effort is not wasted.

Oh, so that's what it looks like. So it looks like I am overestimating myself? But I am not. Surely enough I would be known better for all the math I've posted here than all the strategies I've given. And besides, it would be rather sad if someone was seen overestimating their capabilities of elementary math.



Ah, but it was pretty relevant. It's easier to discuss a fascinating subject if you understand the way the other party views the world.


Sure, they are convenient and whatnot, but there is very little point if the main target group, lazy people, are too lazy to look at the guides. And I doubt people interested in mathematics would be browsing gaming forums.



That's another point where we differ again. You see, I don't give a crap about whether people find my findings useful, I just like the math. And obviously, if I were to target a public group, I would assume the worst of them and report my findings in a way that makes it understandable and useable even by the worst possible case. That is, if only possible.

And I believe that your "finding" itself isn't anything amazing, but it surely will be handy. For example, discussing the stuff you posted reminded me that I've still not started on a whole lot of interesting factors.

This post was edited by olba on Oct 2 2008 10:26am

Olga, you sir, are a true nerd. Lets not start about all your calculations haha, Mat was able to ravage your math-books with 2 lines.