1) No, just put 1 point in em. (Damn.. that I forgot to mention that. Low-lvl trap can mean anything I guess)
2) For 9frame trap laying... just look them up in the table. You said your gonna use a suwayyah or a runic (Your planning ghost, so take a runic) along with your battle cestus. Scroll down the table and you'll find the IAS you need on primary claw+gear, substract 35 (IAS on your chaos, wich you use as primary claw) to find the amount of IAS needed on the rest of your gear.

That rare-claw is a nice example of what I said, it looks real nice.. but it sucks. It needs 10%+ IAS for it to reach 4 frame ww, wich it wont because you cant put a shael or IAS jewel in it; wich means crappy damage, dont use it.

And yes, for a Ghost Chaos + Fury is the best combo.

3) A 3 shadow, 20 fcr, 2socket helm along with a fcr ring or fcr amulet.

Ah I see now so the best choice to make Chaos and Fury are both on a Suwayyah? (since they both provide over 15% ias and thats enough for 4th frame)
If I use Chaos runic talons and my rare battle cestus my ww frame will be at 6th frame right? Does 6th frame and 4th frame makes a VERY hue difference in dmg?
Both claw WBS and IAS effects the WW frame speed correct?

Edit;
*LoL* so much still for me to learn from ww sins

This post was edited by ragnaroks on May 13 2006 03:08pm

I`ve read about primary and secondary weapons. Does it also apply to barb?So if lets say I`m using grief/beast should I put beast in primary slot to gain ow?
Also never knew about anya bug heh.

You dont have to pick your Chaos or Fury claws for reaching the 4th frame, since any claw will hit it when you make either chaos or fury in it. So there isnt a best claw based on WW-frames. You should choose your claws on being able to reach 9-frame trap laying, that is ofcourse if you are going to use them (traps).

As for WW, no, each claw operates at its own frame. So you can have 1 claw that hits every 4th frame and the other hits every 12th. As far as the damage difference; lets take a look at the damage you can deal in 1 second (1 second equals 25 frames).

With a 4 frame attack you can score (25/4) ≈ 6 hits
With a 6 frame attack you can score (25/6) ≈ 4 hits
You see the difference, whether its HUGE or not is your call.

I assume you ask this in relation to you eth claw, keep in mind that when you use that one you have less chance to trigger open wounds, the only OW source will come from your chaos, thus you will deal less damage on a regular basis. Seriously, I advice you not to use it.


Thats not the way it works for WW, I wrote that that kind of check applies to attacks like kicking, blade fury and trap laying. WW looks at each weapon seperately, since basically WW is not much different than just swinging your weapons as in a normal attack.

This post was edited by xepolite on May 13 2006 04:05pm

Ah I see why my eth weap sux, as I calculated how do I get reach the 9 trap laying frame?
I still dont understand the trap laying 100%, what I understand now is that I require 42% to reach the 9th frame while using my fury in runic (as primary) and chaos Suwayyah as secundairy. 42 - 40 (from fury) = 2, So I need 2 extra ias from gear to reach 9th frame?
Well without .08 valk on ladder where should I get the ias? The only option I can tank is Cats Eye / Highlords but than again maxing my fcr I'll be using trang gloves, arach, a assa circ with 20 fcr and a fcr ring.

You looked up the IAS as if you were going to use 2x Runics. With the Runic/Suwayyah combo you need 75% IAS, 75-40 = 35 IAS from gear. You cant reach this without using, like you said, cats or highlords. Yet the best amulet is a Maras or Assa amulet with equal or better stats.

I suggest you take a Runic Fury / Feral Chaos combo. Then you need only 52 IAS in total, thats 52-40 = 12 from gear. You reach this with putting a 15% IAS jewel in your helmet.

greater claws and talons!

with those you can go base stats and swap to bramble mode for them melee pks

this guide; is f'n beautiful. great work, should be pinned asap. ty for the anti ww-sin info

i'm totally going to watch for people re equipping claws in town..and then at the opportune moment i shall click on them and force them to drop their item..and take it. cha-ching!

This post was edited by amnioticentity on May 14 2006 02:09am

Ahah, yes indeed. Its just that I have a grudge against bramble ^_________^

Wow, there certainly is alot of infomation about Ww Sins I didnt know.. Thanks for posting this Xepolite. I was almost gonna make a Bramble Ww Sin 'till I read this. I think I'll make a Ghost Sin instead