Ofc almost everyone bm's on east, whats to stop them from just using an antidote. They don't get laughed out of games, no-one but the zon really cares. Thats the MAIN reason I never made a plague zon, i've seen them, but it isn't hard to avoid them and ram ibs up theirs.
Easy tactic once you learn the right tele/ibs spots.

Melee...man, no one can bm like a barb. That's why i've pretty much quit dueling in public games, they always bitch aa or team than...gets boring.

Psn zonz can own pubby games as long as they don't antidote. But i'm not sure if one could give any of the top duelers on east a run.
Must be kinda nice on west, less pubby shit to listen too. >_<

Could prolly turn this into a bow/java hybrid getting 5 k physical guided 5 java gc 22 290 rest run/walks and anni.
Not sure of plague damage, prolly in the lowish 50-60 k for using 160/60, and yes I think it's viable b/c once you hit them with a jav just switch to guided AND you have 23 290s not sure how psn stacks or how times is calculated but it could work.

The hybrid sounds interesting, as it is pretty much making the bow part more powerful by far - rather than just 1 guided and cta bow, but imo hybrid wouldn't be that powerful vs pala's or barbs as to get high damage on bows you need high dext which means less life, yet most of the damage would still be psn from the 290's. This build sounds like it could be insane with knockback though (doesn't matter if it's in pubby game), but your bow doesn't have knockback // can't change gloves, so only very rare knockback boots (very rare) or knockback helm (less psn damage:( ). This is mainly because you could throw your psn then shoot people back into it or throw lightning fury to knock them back into it.

Knocking people into psn..Hmm
I think its worth sacrificing Shako for Giant skull..

Phuck_legitz, just so you know, I've dueled the clan leaders of both of the top PVP clans on US west. AI's clan leader, and XE's clan leader, and neither of them scratched me with any of their melee chars. WW barbs, smiters, zealots, they tried them all. The only character that they were 50/50'ing me was with bliz sorc's and bone nec's. But they were only 50/50 at best and that's being nice to them. Now i'm sure your not actually suggesting that everybody on US west sucks compared to US east

I guarantee the elite clans are just as good on west as they are on east. Don't get me wrong, I totally understand where your coming from. I too thought that plagazons sucked until I made one. It is a common misconception shared by almost everybody.

I assure you, the build is for real vs anybody. Pubbies, clan duels, tourneys, whatever...


About the hybrid, I tried it with a remake and it wasen't very good at all. The main reason was the plague damage was too low, and when your on bow, your extremely vulnerable to attacks with no shield. The reason the build is so good as a pure jav is because with max block rate, and maxed evades, it is damn near impossible for melee characters to get more then 1 or 2 hits before they die. Also, with maxed evades, elemental attacks become extremely easy to avoid. Bowazons are just too frail vs elite pvp'ers. They do well in pubbies, but in clan duels, they aren't very good.

Also, about the knock back in to the poison. Poison only works once and doesn't stack. It makes no difference how many times you hit the guy with plague or make them go into the cloud, the damage is the same. No point in that really.


BTW: what is ibs? what do you mean learn tele/ibs?

NEVER MIND. Invisible bone spirits you mean right? Well, that doesn't work, because I am never very far off the necro's screen because I run so frickin fast, and i'm constantly moving so they never hit anyway. And you would have to duel me to know how useless bone spirit is. They are incredibly slow, so if your planning to bone spirit me, I promise you will run out of mana before you hit me once with it. Teeth is the ONLY way to go. Spirit or spear is certain death for ya

This post was edited by wu-banger on Jul 16 2004 02:08am

Most people on east use 15/70's so running out of mana is not really possible unless you spam like hell with 125% fcr.

Again, only thing stopping me is antidotes. I'm on ladder but I THINK i'll make one but ofc I have shit for gear there, everyone else makes trappers/fohers but a 4 topaz monarch couldn't be too hard. >_<

How does the poison work against GA-wearing opponents (95% in other words) ? Is it high enough to still hurt?

edit: nvm, found the post explaining how it takes longer to kill 95% psn. resist wearers, but if anyone would like to add their experiences with 95% wearers, pls. do since i'm kinda worried although if they do use GA, then all 'cept sorcs won't be able to tele

This post was edited by reno666 on Jul 27 2004 04:00pm

I think that was the only guide i have ever read all the way through, very interesting and i have all of that gear so the next few days i know what il be doing.. thx man

thats kinda stupid

u can still do sharge strike or lightning fury with 290s and still own

OK my plaguezon is level 65. Put on 41% Bramble and Trang gloves and took her on a NM pubbie spin and she did squat, lol. Got owned by kicksins, foh'ers, and some meleers. Managed to kill some sorcs and GA bowies though (poison, run around, they try to tele back to camp with low hp and my LF got them).

I think what I'm doing wrong, besides the fact duelling with others way higher level, is not running enough. When Wu-Banger said "running build," he really meant running, lol. Her r/w is about 85. The poison cloud is not as wide as I initially thought it was going to be (it's maxed but no skillers yet). So, gotta sharpen up my run and gun skills y'all.