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It’s very hard to win serious duels with 30fcr.
It’s hard to win some duels with 48fcr.
75 fcr is the sweet spot
125fcr is weak, yes if no bug belt you may use it vs certain necroes etc, but 75fcr is the sweet spot that han handle all best.


Just a hybrid build I was posting to stunt on them. They keep calling me a walk smiter but they always give up when we duel.

I mean it’s true I’d rather just out smite you, but I can def out duel you with weapon swap on space bar. They used to record me training in chaos runs when I became one with the smiter and freaked them out how I moved.
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Just a hybrid build I was posting to stunt on them. They keep calling me a walk smiter but they always give up when we duel.

I mean it’s true I’d rather just out smite you, but I can def out duel you with weapon swap on space bar. They used to record me training in chaos runs when I became one with the smiter and freaked them out how I moved.


I trained by bm’ing in SvS pubs.

Enter, bm two guys fighting. All 7 players rage and starts to hunt me, but they are built for svs, not pubs. So i freely tele around and jump sitting ducks with oak up.

Then they rage more, starts to bring hammerdins, necores and even sorc etc. so i get to train vs them as well.

Was very epic tactic back then like 15 years ago. No1 else used 75fcr builds then. Most of them was 30fcr or less. Mostly charge based.

And the hammerdins came confident, but they way those guys played with false safety they was easy to oak jump, they did not have any training vs fast vt, they was used to be the one on offense trying to cloud hammers around a smiter.

Necroes was used to be charged or jumped by 30fcr builds, easy picking.

Sorc are not good vs paladins due to paladin basicly had free res, and i had supee early hybrid runewords like sop and god pb.

Basicly got maximum training vs all char types from bm’ing two guys.
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I trained by bm’ing in SvS pubs.

Enter, bm two guys fighting. All 7 players rage and starts to hunt me, but they are built for svs, not pubs. So i freely tele around and jump sitting ducks with oak up.

Then they rage more, starts to bring hammerdins, necores and even sorc etc. so i get to train vs them as well.

Was very epic tactic back then like 15 years ago. No1 else used 75fcr builds then. Most of them was 30fcr or less. Mostly charge based.

And the hammerdins came confident, but they way those guys played with false safety they was easy to oak jump, they did not have any training vs fast vt, they was used to be the one on offense trying to cloud hammers around a smiter.

Necroes was used to be charged or jumped by 30fcr builds, easy picking.

Sorc are not good vs paladins due to paladin basicly had free res, and i had supee early hybrid runewords like sop and god pb.

Basicly got maximum training vs all char types from bm’ing two guys.


Makes sense with the oak, that brings you past 4500 life as your only hitting with 800 damage with a spirit. If you get that hit or two simple math says they die.

I had luck with a sr spirit and some steel rends in lod but it doesn’t hit the same without a hybrid on d2r.

I’ve always wanted a 75 fcr vc but just going pally ammy vs a high lords your always 1k dmg less when yall tag.

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Makes sense with the oak, that brings you past 4500 life as your only hitting with 800 damage with a spirit. If you get that hit or two simple math says they die.

I had luck with a sr spirit and some steel rends in lod but it doesn’t hit the same without a hybrid on d2r.

I’ve always wanted a 75 fcr vc but just going pally ammy vs a high lords your always 1k dmg less when yall tag.


The oak also blocks them from hitting me, i dont do direct jump vs palas, i jump southwest/southeast usually and become covered by oak.

I had 30fcr vt vs vt setup as well:
Jewelers st 65/121 with 4 * 30ed/9str/7fhr/30lr jewels
Gloves 20ias/14str/20life/30lr/10cb or smt like that
Amulet: 2pala/10fcr/24str/46life/58lr/18@

And 48fcr exile setup

And tap/foh setups wirh dracs and griffon, also had 3foh/2conv/3hs cta(super rare) and jewelers 45@/20/-20 st, also had foh stick. Just for fun really.

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The oak also blocks them from hitting me, i dont do direct jump vs palas, i jump southwest/southeast usually and become covered by oak.

I had 30fcr vt vs vt setup as well:
Jewelers st 65/121 with 4 * 30ed/9str/7fhr/30lr jewels
Gloves 20ias/14str/20life/30lr/10cb or smt like that
Amulet: 2pala/10fcr/24str/46life/58lr/18@

And 48fcr exile setup

And tap/foh setups wirh dracs and griffon, also had 3foh/2conv/3hs cta(super rare) and jewelers 45@/20/-20 st, also had foh stick. Just for fun really.


Ya I tried all that stuff, I just pop some 40/15s in my shied and gloves or some ias and just stop that running from me with freeze and fohing me so i can’t move or slowing me down with arach. From my research you need 90 lr on body and about 12x 20/11 scs to stop an average foher so that’s what I go off.

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Ya I tried all that stuff, I just pop some 40/15s in my shied and gloves or some ias and just stop that running from me with freeze and fohing me so i can’t move or slowing me down with arach. From my research you need 90 lr on body and about 12x 20/11 scs to stop an average foher so that’s what I go off.


Can I just get an explanation on how this could be considered a "VTC" with no point allocation into charge and or synergies? All I am seeing is a vt that charges with grief, which yes is damage to most casters and zons. However this is just a vt doing vt things... Not some original build idea.

I have made attempts to build this "VTC" and it did come out pretty well. However my skill allocations were a bit different. I also cube bo'd for more life and the ability to have a better Foh on swap.

Max smite
Max charge
Max HS
Max Fanat
16 in Foh

Which does do pretty good damage and its still hits 75fcr while still using pheonix unfortunately you are limited to cast on teleport and only get 31dr unless you replace pheonix with an old school smite shield that uses 2 bers. Bringing your dr to 47 while reducing your smite and charge damage.

2pally skills 20fcr with tele charges 2oS ber'd
2pally 20fcr ammy
Fort
Pheonix ST
Grief pb
Dual stat 20ias cb gloves
Dungos
10fcr dual stat ring
Raven
Wwalks

On swap
3/3 25/-25 foh scepter
20/-20 jstod

This was the only setup I was able to come up with that actually did good enough damage all around. While yes 2.5k foh is a nuisance more than a threat it helps for the quick stun and opening for a big charge or tele smites.

This post was edited by DeOmega on Dec 10 2025 06:47am
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Can I just get an explanation on how this could be considered a "VTC" with no point allocation into charge and or synergies? All I am seeing is a vt that charges with grief, which yes is damage to most casters and zons. However this is just a vt doing vt things... Not some original build idea.

I have made attempts to build this "VTC" and it did come out pretty well. However my skill allocations were a bit different. I also cube bo'd for more life and the ability to have a better Foh on swap.

Max smite
Max charge
Max HS
Max Fanat
16 in Foh

Which does do pretty good damage and its still hits 75fcr while still using pheonix unfortunately you are limited to cast on teleport and only get 31dr unless you replace pheonix with an old school smite shield that uses 2 bers. Bringing your dr to 47 while reducing your smite and charge damage.

2pally skills 20fcr with tele charges 2oS ber'd
2pally 20fcr ammy
Fort
Pheonix ST
Grief pb
Dual stat 20ias cb gloves
Dungos
10fcr dual stat ring
Raven
Wwalks

On swap
3/3 25/-25 foh scepter
20/-20 jstod

This was the only setup I was able to come up with that actually did good enough damage all around. While yes 2.5k foh is a nuisance more than a threat it helps for the quick stun and opening for a big charge or tele smites.


Nice, I had a fort Tele charge smiter with a $700 vortex I gave away before this build.

Your not at max dr so the 800 average smite damage becomes like over 1200 if you get hit, I bet that build gets 3 shotted.

You don’t need points into charge with a grief, Fanta only boots your ar and damage but damage can from from gear.

If you wanna do it like properly I suggest going 5 points into charge, this is how you make a holy freeze charger or anything that boosts charge.

1 point is fine tho as long as your hitting 1k damage, or 2k with a highlords on. A real charger will hit at 2600 damage with a ds hit if it hits max only. But in general half life someone with 1 hit is ideal.

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The build did well actually, lack of mobility was the only issue but regardless that was and is an easy fix. The point I was making is you claim to have made a "VTC" Implying you're foh smite charge, but use no skills for the main part of your build. Why not just call it what it is and stop trying to act like youre doing something new? Youre a vt doing vt things. You're not theory crafting anything original that is all.


Also I have read your "build ideas" that you "theorycrafted" over the years. They are laughable more than viable...

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The build did well actually, lack of mobility was the only issue but regardless that was and is an easy fix. The point I was making is you claim to have made a "VTC" Implying you're foh smite charge, but use no skills for the main part of your build. Why not just call it what it is and stop trying to act like youre doing something new? Youre a vt doing vt things. You're not theory crafting anything original that is all.


Also I have read your "build ideas" that you "theorycrafted" over the years. They are laughable more than viable...


I bet $100 million none of you can beat that smiter. I know for a fact cause it happened already.
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The build did well actually, lack of mobility was the only issue but regardless that was and is an easy fix. The point I was making is you claim to have made a "VTC" Implying you're foh smite charge, but use no skills for the main part of your build. Why not just call it what it is and stop trying to act like youre doing something new? Youre a vt doing vt things. You're not theory crafting anything original that is all.


Also I have read your "build ideas" that you "theorycrafted" over the years. They are laughable more than viable...


Stop feeding the man that doesnt take his meds and imagines his d2 life
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