nope and nope real dmg on pvm is Crushing blow and there is no way 8fr to be better then 7frames thats why i find for better option even goblin toes over the gores
and 15ias/40ed on WF with giant skull with 2 x 15ias/40ed over dex diadem with 3x 15/40s
thats why LOH gloves arent better option even vs demons due to 350ed<10CB

but if u are looking just for screen dmg yeah urs setups are better

This post was edited by al1as on May 25 2023 04:52am

Not only CB is nerfed hard on range attack, but on top of that only the two middle arrows can apply CB on multishot.

You fire 24 arrows, you are nerfing the damage of 22 arrows, 92% of your arrows to slightly increase the damage on two arrows (and the damage increase is still debatable with how bad is CB with range attacks) a CB build for bowazon is a terrible idea.

Would be better for bosses, something that you should not run as a bowazon player and if you reeeally want to do a boss killer you still give up on CB and just make a javazon switch.

BTW losing 100% pierce from razortail to use nosferatu make you loss more damage than lossing 100CB so....

This post was edited by Titus1986 on May 27 2023 03:43am

What bow base did you use? Been considering building a bowazon but haven't pulled the trigger yet.

This post was edited by DuxClarus on Aug 1 2023 10:18am

I changed the build so many times and landed on my fav one thus far

windforce w/ big emphasis on +min dmg items (just enough str to wear WF, rest 100% dex)

Belt + gloves deaths (30ias, all res, and 8 life leech, and cannot be frozen) too good to be true
wartravs for added dmg
atmas scarab
2x 13mindmg rings w/ 15 all res
70% inventory 1mindmg/15-16life SCs
WF with 8min dmg / 38ED jewel
30frw / 3os (filled with three ed/min dmg jewels) I think tot was 115ed/28min dmg

switch 6 valkery that Vigor bow (forgot name)

Merch is act1 with 15fanat, treachery and andy helm

I can post pics if you like

interesting - you found this to be the most effective thus far? And would love pics if you don't mind.

And I feel like I seen your 1min dmg life iso posts - you're on SC NL, right?

This post was edited by DuxClarus on Aug 1 2023 11:53am

And curious you went min dmg - I always thought why don't people try to minimize the large damage variance instead of widening it with more max dmg.

I think min dmg is the most efficient way to pump up dmg... its why 1 handed griefs do more dmg than any weapon out there... that +dmg is incorporated into both min and max

Actually... I met a guy who went pure min dmg build zon with diamond bow, if your min dmg is higher than your max. it starts to behave like a grief, where the min dmg is added to both min and max. His staffe dmg was like 5718-5719 lol (basically every arrow was doing 6k dmg lol)

Diamond bows have similar min and max, so if your zon as alot of +min dmg, it will count towards both.... Its VERY expensive build becuase you have to buy a buncha +18 min dmg jewels lol, 4os armor with +min dmg and fill it w/ 18min dmg jewels, along w/ 3os helm with +13min dmg (and 18 min dmg jewels)... this build is crazy expensive, plus I don't think it as reliable as the one I posted above.

as you can see im not that rich lol but i do have a wf on deck that ive been wanting to use and a very nice merc faith bow on deck too. So I'll likely replicate your build. Keep me posted if you switch it up again I'd be interested to hear what changed. I'm not starting the bowazon yet but probably by the time Sept rolls around I will. Want to get my necro to 95 (92 currently) and bowasorc to 98 (97 currently) first.

thanks for the info

WF zon is really fun PVM... its not an overly expensive build

The most expensive will be the 3os/30frw helm w/ min dmg jewels (ed/min dmg)... this one will cost your helm + jewel = 250-400fg

The 2nd most expensive will be 1min/life SCs (usually 1min/15life should be in the 30-60fg per)...

3rd most (almost) expensive things will be the rings, you don't need life leech or mana leech (deaths set + windforce have all that), you just need rings with 9min dmg and resistance (lighting being most important resistance as those souls in act4-5 will melt your zon in 1 shot). A basic 9min dmg w/ high resistance w/ nothing else shouldn't cost more than 50fg

4th will be fort armor

Rest of the stuff is 5-10fg lol

U can do precast mark of the bear, Faith GMB and add razor wrap for 33% pierce to bring pierce to 100%.
Razor add another 15max damage as well.

This post was edited by gel87 on Aug 1 2023 11:29pm