19 k ar work fine for me at least
19k ar @ 2v2 setup and 22,5k @1v1 setup

regarded to the stats Lensherr posted, this seems fine too me as well, i'd go for that probably.
you have to try it What you feel better
@lensherr, the dmg comes from the Raven i'd say

This post was edited by Breee on Feb 5 2015 10:26am

imo its the good improvement too, too bad i cant tell if its better in practise too ( yet )

I think 5 k ar >

But I don't do math, so if someone wanna do the math...

yeah, testing the stuff mostly works better than thinking about it for 10 hours ^^



if you do the Math it is a few % Less to Break the armor.

usually it is 25% to Break the Block and around 40-50% to Break the armor with your AR

can tell you later how much % in total with 19,22,25 k ar

This post was edited by Breee on Feb 5 2015 10:34am

Yes please

If I'm not too rusty in probability calculation: (let me know if In case I do it wrong regarded to this specific model of Events)
it should be correct after my opinion

This is regarded to SINGLE hits of the WW .. one WW attacks more often ofc.

without regarding the Block:

without regarding the eth rune:
19000 ar vs 32000 def = 37% chance to hit
22500 ar vs 32000 def = 41% chance to hit
25000 ar vs 32000 def = 43% chance to hit

regarding the eth rune (-12.5% enemy def in pvp) :
32000-12.5% = 28000 def

19000 ar vs 28000 def = 40% chance to hit
22500 ar vs 28000 def = 44% chance to hit
25000 ar vs 28000 def = 47% chance to hit


regarding the Block:
We got a Chance of 25% to get through the Block, and a chance of 75% to not break it

regarding the block + without the eth rune:
19000 ar vs 32000 def = 25% * 37% = 9.25% chance to hit
22500 ar vs 32000 def = 25% * 41% = 10.25% chance to hit
25000 ar vs 32000 def = 25% * 43% = 10.75% chance to hit

regarding the block + regarding the eth rune (-12.5% enemy def in pvp):
32000-12.5% = 28000 def

19000 ar vs 28000 def = 25%* 40% = 10% chance to hit
22500 ar vs 28000 def = 25% * 44% = 11% chance to hit
25000 ar vs 28000 def = 25% * 47% = 11.75% chance to hit

basicly it looks like this:



This post was edited by Breee on Feb 5 2015 01:13pm

yea so worth it?

the difference to hit is so minimal.
I'd take the additional Life to be honest ^^

i guess this sentence affects all who use botd ba.

also i guess this affects all who has 32k def +- ( which have i guess at least 80% of bvbers around - and believe me that i asked the most of em or i saw his barb stats in profile/tr topic )




to answer ur question - yes its worth it, as u have 20k +- ar with raven, so u might hit with ur botd build after the penalty of eth rune and block by slightly more chances than 10%, guess around 10,4 % or somehow alike ( didnt the math here )
so u have enough ar, that 1,25% of chance to hit someone with 32k def you have with two angelics is not worth the "cbf" bonus, around 100 dmg more, 150-200 more dmg, and i guess also 100+mana add...

imo in ur case RAVEN > two angelics

e/ now im even more horny for my ls to be finished than b4...

@ breee - big thanks for ur inputs



This post was edited by trivis on Feb 5 2015 02:14pm

Interest my friends Ty for input. I might try raven / angie for a while.