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#191
Nov 7 2004 09:32pm
dude...very nice build

i read every single post in this thread...took me a VERY long time, but here's what i concluded:

1) ugod's does more dmg
2) ugod's relies on df only instead of df + tele
3) ugod's mb lasts a shorter time

if i was beyond rich, then i'd definately make a ghost sin. but since i'm ladder (no dupes), and since i'm not rich (and can't afford 10 skillers), i'm gonna have to stick w/ ugod's build

i do have some questions, however (and if you think my build can still be godly w/ the modified gear listed below, then i might even opt for your build, cuz i like it better than ugods biggrin.gif):

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Armor:
Enigma Breast plate- No nats, no bramble. This is the only armor suitable for this build.

could i go for a dusk perhaps? or is a bp the best way to go?

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Helm:
.08 Valkrye Helm- 30 fcr, 30 runwalk, 30 ias, 30 fhr. The staple of the Ghost, this helm
combined with arachnid allows you to reach the 65 fcr breakpoint, grants enough runwalk to escape Bone spirits when
golem slowed, gives you fhr needed toe scape mb lock, and let's you cast traps at the maximum cast speed while in fade mode.

i have a shako for melee duels, like u mentioned, but since i'm on ladder, i can't get a valk helm. what should i use then as a replacement?

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Amulet:
Storm Hide duped assassin amulet

just to confirm, i can replace this with a maras and add some str and dex...rite?

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Boots:
Soul Shanks

got an alternative to boots? like +2 shadow dancers, perhaps?


edit:: 1 more question i wanted to ask

why Fury Feral Claws and Chaos Runic Talons? could u not get 2 of the same (like fury feral + chaos feral....or fury runic + chaos runic)?

and don't scissor suwayyahs do more dmg (u only need to use 6 more stat pts..+3 strm +3 dex)? maybe i'm missing something

ur insight would be very helpful...as i've noticed that you know a LOT about ww sins


This post was edited by hollisterrep on Nov 7 2004 09:42pm
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#192
Nov 7 2004 10:01pm
QUOTE (hollisterrep @ Nov 7 2004, 07:32 PM)
dude...very nice build

i read every single post in this thread...took me a VERY long time, but here's what i concluded:

1) ugod's does more dmg
2) ugod's relies on df only instead of df + tele
3) ugod's mb lasts a shorter time

if i was beyond rich, then i'd definately make a ghost sin. but since i'm ladder (no dupes), and since i'm not rich (and can't afford 10 skillers), i'm gonna have to stick w/ ugod's build

i do have some questions, however (and if you think my build can still be godly w/ the modified gear listed below, then i might even opt for your build, cuz i like it better than ugods biggrin.gif):

QUOTE
Armor:
Enigma Breast plate- No nats, no bramble. This is the only armor suitable for this build.

could i go for a dusk perhaps? or is a bp the best way to go?

QUOTE
Helm:
.08 Valkrye Helm- 30 fcr, 30 runwalk, 30 ias, 30 fhr. The staple of the Ghost, this helm
combined with arachnid allows you to reach the 65 fcr breakpoint, grants enough runwalk to escape Bone spirits when
golem slowed, gives you fhr needed toe scape mb lock, and let's you cast traps at the maximum cast speed while in fade mode.

i have a shako for melee duels, like u mentioned, but since i'm on ladder, i can't get a valk helm. what should i use then as a replacement?

QUOTE
Amulet:
Storm Hide duped assassin amulet

just to confirm, i can replace this with a maras and add some str and dex...rite?

QUOTE
Boots:
Soul Shanks

got an alternative to boots? like +2 shadow dancers, perhaps?


edit:: 1 more question i wanted to ask

why Fury Feral Claws and Chaos Runic Talons? could u not get 2 of the same (like fury feral + chaos feral....or fury runic + chaos runic)?

and don't scissor suwayyahs do more dmg (u only need to use 6 more stat pts..+3 strm +3 dex)? maybe i'm missing something

ur insight would be very helpful...as i've noticed that you know a LOT about ww sins

bp is the best way to go so you can have none or very low str then put all those extra points into life

if your on ladder use a griffions eye with an ias jewel in it

yea just use maras and add to str and dex

shadow dancers have crazy str req >.<

ferals and runics are used to reach the max trap layinig speed in fade mode
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#193
Nov 7 2004 10:13pm
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bp is the best way to go so you can have none or very low str then put all those extra points into life

if your on ladder use a griffions eye with an ias jewel in it

yea just use maras and add to str and dex

shadow dancers have crazy str req >.<

k. makes sense...but what boots do u suggest then? gore riders?

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ferals and runics are used to reach the max trap layinig speed in fade mode

isn't 1 claw faster than the other? thus, wouldn't u have an even faster trap laying speed using 2 of the same type (maybe trap laying speed doesn't depend on claw speed)
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#194
Nov 7 2004 11:19pm
just use feral/runics I promissed a friend I wouldent tell why. ><
as to which claw is fury which is chaos it does not matter.

Yes to all what krazysin said, but for boots i would work my hardest to find legit rare boots with resists, they really help... if you cant do that get boots with 40% runwalk... being faster than the bone spirit means you win.
Griphons with ias jewel works great, but another alternative I just discovered by pumping 20 more dex on my asn is to use a 2 sin 20 fcr helm with resists and 15 ias with a 10 fcr ring with resists and attack rating works just as well vs. sorcs. may be ever a better alternative than griphons.
The helm I use is:
Carrion Visage Coronet
2 sin
20 fcr
32 all resists
84 attack rating
57 life
15 ias
magic dmg reduced by 3

Then ring I use is:
Order Touch ring
10 fcr
81 ar
15 str
36 life
26% cold res
20% fire res

If you cant find godly circlet/ring though, i recomend 15 ias griphons and 2x ravenfrosts.
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#195
Nov 16 2004 01:13pm
Koda, I must say, this is exactly the guide I was looking for.
It's sorta based off the same principles as V/T pallies, etc.
No str. hardly any dex, and massive vitality.
Thing is... people say your sin doesn't do as much damage as this one, etc., but you have like an extra 500+ life compared to their sins?

Anyways...

Just curious about boot selection. What about bitter brogues and/or Soul spurs, etc.? I'm thinking I won't have to add any into dex on this build(hopefully)

boots- 13 dex
2 x raven- 40
anni- 20

73 dex total just from those few items.

Also, what about a BK ring? +1 skills and roughly 40+ life. Does the raven frost outweigh the BK ring?
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#196
Nov 16 2004 09:42pm
QUOTE (KrAyZi3xSiNx2o6 @ Nov 7 2004, 11:01 PM)


if your on ladder use a griffions eye with an ias jewel in it


What's the point of griffions when it doesn't work with sentry? Or am I missing something?
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#197
Nov 16 2004 11:13pm
Assassin FCR BP=65.

Arachnid's = 20
Trang's = 20

65-20-20=x

x=25

x is also equal to the amount of FCR on Griffon's.
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#198
Nov 17 2004 09:50am
QUOTE (Phuck_legitZ @ Nov 17 2004, 03:42 AM)
QUOTE (KrAyZi3xSiNx2o6 @ Nov 7 2004, 11:01 PM)


if your on ladder use a griffions eye with an ias jewel in it


What's the point of griffions when it doesn't work with sentry? Or am I missing something?

25% FCR to get to the 65% FCR breakpoint
+1 Skills is nice ^-^

Better than this helm would be a cirlcet with...
+2 Skills
2 Open Sockets
+Resists
+Life
+20% FCR
+Faster Hit Recovery

Socket it with 2 x 15 IAS / 15 Resists Jewels= Sex
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#199
Nov 17 2004 05:42pm
QUOTE (OneArmedScissor @ Nov 16 2004, 07:13 PM)
Koda, I must say, this is exactly the guide I was looking for.
It's sorta based off the same principles as V/T pallies, etc.
No str. hardly any dex, and massive vitality.
Thing is... people say your sin doesn't do as much damage as this one, etc., but you have like an extra 500+ life compared to their sins?

Anyways...

Just curious about boot selection. What about bitter brogues and/or Soul spurs, etc.? I'm thinking I won't have to add any into dex on this build(hopefully)

boots- 13 dex
2 x raven- 40
anni- 20

73 dex total just from those few items.

Also, what about a BK ring? +1 skills and roughly 40+ life. Does the raven frost outweigh the BK ring?

lately I have been using bitter brouges when I need more dex, but you really do need the resists from soul shenks.
Bitter brouges can go on when you need more dex for angelics/wisp/dwarf
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#200
Nov 17 2004 06:26pm
QUOTE (Kodachi @ Nov 17 2004, 11:42 PM)
QUOTE (OneArmedScissor @ Nov 16 2004, 07:13 PM)
Koda, I must say, this is exactly the guide I was looking for.
It's sorta based off the same principles as V/T pallies, etc.
No str. hardly any dex, and massive vitality. 
Thing is... people say your sin doesn't do as much damage as this one, etc., but you have like an extra 500+ life compared to their sins?

Anyways...

Just curious about boot selection.  What about bitter brogues and/or Soul spurs, etc.?  I'm thinking I won't have to add any into dex on this build(hopefully)

boots- 13 dex
2 x raven- 40
anni- 20

73 dex total just from those few items. 

Also, what about a BK ring?  +1 skills and roughly 40+ life.  Does the raven frost outweigh the BK ring?

lately I have been using bitter brouges when I need more dex, but you really do need the resists from soul shenks.
Bitter brouges can go on when you need more dex for angelics/wisp/dwarf

I don't think resists will be that big of an issue to be honest with you. I have plenty of 11%LR/15+ life charms, 10%+fire resist/15+ life and 5%FHR, etc. I figure I get plenty of cold resists from ravens, and tranges. But correct me if I'm wrong.

Here are my claws as of right now.
Chaos: 324%(can't remember), +3 dragon flight, +2 death sentry, +1 mind blast
Fury: +2 venom, +2 claw block, +2 shadow master

The chaos keeps me from putting points into dragon flight, so I'm good there. Fury saves me a few points into weapons block as well.

Charms are alittle different story though... I know you say 10 x shadow charms, but how does this idea sound.

anni
8 x shadow/30+ lifers
9 x resist/life charms
6 x 3/20/20s

or should I just got:
10 x shadow/30+ lifers
9 x resist/life charms
anni

Your insight would be most useless.
Danke Schön
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