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Jan 25 2008 03:10am
I think prebuff with a zeal sorc should be considered gm. Just because of the nature of the build.
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Jan 25 2008 03:16am
oh yeah, btw are those damage totals averages or max damage? cause i'm doing some calculations and i don't see the damage being nearly that high on average...chant and firemastery are only like level 29 (bo lidless cta spider torch anni mages) which means like 4-5K damage...and the aura is around 1-51K, so that's gonna be a little over 30K average damage w/o prebuff =/
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Quote (darcanegel @ Fri, Jan 25 2008, 03:59am)
ok, so i'm thinking -thinking- of making this character (mostly because, you gotta admit, it's one of the sexiest looking chars ever...sorc w/ pb = teh secks). however, i got a few questions.

-you say to use an rfrost vs cold sorcs, but almost every melee char uses them, giving them cold damage...which will chill you and slow you down. so don't you need them, like, all the time vs melee?
-why treachery? its definitely more economical than a 4/90+ armor, but if you socketed the armor w/ 3x 15/15 jewels and used the last for ber or cham (personally i'd go cham because of the above-mentioned rfrost issue) you'd still get a nice res boost, dr% isn't really a big deal w/ high ES sorcs, the life > fhr (use 4x fhr scs = -80 life...but 90+ > 80). plus you don't need to get hit 20 times to get the fade to proc. only other thing i see is venom, but that's not a big deal i suppose. and a lot of ppl (myself included) see procing fade before the duel as bm.
-how well do you do vs melee characters? does it have much of a chance vs bvcs and smiters? i guess you've got that aura, so worst comes to worst you can just tele until they're worn down. but 40 fcr isn't that great sad.gif

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The characters I choose not to wear ravenfrost against are either non-cold casters like hdins or even a fire/light sorc. Occaisonally I take them off against Barbs and Smiters/Zealers because a relatively high AR is required to have a chance of hitting them with any frequency.

I chose treachery because it has absolutely everything I needed and wasn't too expensive. The 45% IAS is more than I need to hit the last breakpoint (65%), the fade adds some DR and resists (although applied after ES) and the venom adds a little bit of poison damage, although it doesn't add much. You don't have to get hit 20 times to trigger, I just stand on a fire outside Act 5, no one has complained to me that it is BM, although I only played in public duels. The extra 100 or so life would be nice, but if you're planning on making this caharacter on ladder, you'll be spending like 600fg+ on the armor alone.

Against any real melee character like a BVC, smiter or zealer, you do have a chance to win, but you have to play a lot more conservatively than against any casters. I've had success in the past against them, but it is a much more difficult duel than against a sorceress. The only positive to using 95% ES is that when your mana and life get low, you can teleport around, letting the aura hurt the enemy, while the high warmth regenerates your mana and you can go in for another attack. And the 40% FCR is fairly adequate for this build, you won't find yourself tele'ing a whole lot, usually just a couple times. Just get close enough so that they're on your screen and teleport on them and zeal quickly. If you think 40% FCR is low, check out the other stickied zeal sorc guide, it has ZERO!

Hope that helps you out! I encourage you to try this character out, it's really fun. Feel free to ask if you have any more questions.


Quote (darcanegel @ Fri, Jan 25 2008, 04:16am)
oh yeah, btw are those damage totals averages or max damage? cause i'm doing some calculations and i don't see the damage being nearly that high on average...chant and firemastery are only like level 29 (bo lidless cta spider torch anni mages) which means like 4-5K damage...and the aura is around 1-51K, so that's gonna be a little over 30K average damage w/o prebuff =/


Yeah, they're maximum damage, the average damage is much less.
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ha yea but I figured out my sorc almost tanks more when i dont prebuff its a lil harder to hit people with shields and block, and I lose 3k dmg /3k ar but big deal saves me the annoyance of prebuffing every single time with 1.6k life and 4.5k mana 70% es seems to tank more then my 1.8k life 4.7k mana 95% es i dont get it....

also white I found that with a sheald phase blade in bear form helps a ton alot vs ww barbs and smiters check it out boost ur life loads and hits max fps. as apose to zeal witch almost never beats a half decent smiter even with buff and wws just super hard to hit... check it out.

This post was edited by Ltf_Life on Jan 25 2008 05:55pm
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Quote (Ltf_Life @ Fri, Jan 25 2008, 06:53pm)
ha yea but I figured out my sorc almost tanks more when i dont prebuff its a lil harder to hit people with shields and block, and I lose 3k dmg /3k ar but big deal saves me the annoyance of prebuffing every single time with 1.6k life and 4.5k mana 70% es seems to tank more then my 1.8k life 4.7k mana 95% es i dont get it....

also white I found that with a sheald phase blade in bear form helps a ton alot vs  ww barbs and smiters check it out boost ur life loads and hits max fps. as apose to zeal witch almost never beats a half decent smiter even with buff and wws just super hard to hit... check it out.


Probably because your dmg is more evenly distributed between life and mana? I have no idea.
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Quote (Ltf_Life @ Fri, Jan 25 2008, 06:53pm)
also white I found that with a sheald phase blade in bear form helps a ton alot vs ww barbs and smiters check it out boost ur life loads and hits max fps. as apose to zeal witch almost never beats a half decent smiter even with buff and wws just super hard to hit... check it out.


I've tryed Bear sorcers, but I don't like them. They can't use any spell in bear form (including teleport) and without a decent amount of FRW they don't stand a chance. I've beaten a few smiters and BVC's with my sorc, not as often as I'd like though. If you know how to duel with the zeal sorceress, you can get a hit in and kill the character before they even have a chance to attack back. It's all about getting lucky and hitting though unless you have very high AR. But my strategy has always been teleport, attack once, teleport away, wait for another opportunity to attack. You won't get hit very much this way and once you finally do hit, it's usually a 1 hit kill. Against most WW Barbs, it's fairly easy, they get locked in attack so if they miss, use the opportunity to get a quick attack in. If you play overly aggressive against any well built melee character, you don't stand much of a chance, but you'll find you can be fairly successful if you play conservatively and pick your attack opportunities wisely.

This post was edited by WhiteKnightmare on Jan 25 2008 09:26pm
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Jan 25 2008 09:29pm
Hm this is most definitely a unique type of sorc smile.gif
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Hm this is most definitely a unique type of sorc smile.gif


Yup. smile.gif
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