And that's with a HR gg merc set up.

Has been a while since I played for "real" a GF barb since it was, IMO, the only PvM "MF" char in d2legacy that would make sense when. has magic finder, you would play vs a community used to sandbox even over to 200bot/person letting a few options for human play that would not been total casual (torches grind /gambling / level push).


IF I would be endgame (and in the case of a GF barb in d2r economy I would say a Merc with HR runewords), I would honestly push higher level as possible 1st for better affixes/suffixes odds with onda/10exp ammy and then start a true gold farm grind while trashing all the MF, main slops for the char since I hate level push even on chars that can actually kill niha while leechers are at wave 1 of baal, go figure with a barb that can't do shiet at p7 :V

This post was edited by Banjoco on Nov 16 2021 09:35am

Yeah I really enjoy doing P7 on the Barb. It's so much easier if you have a way to park even 1 Paladin with Auras + a lvl 55 Enchantress in the game.

Missing a 5% Fire Facet in your Demon Limb for the min/max.

Have it in-game, but not on here.
Most of the Council is Fire Immune, so it's really only for the AR. If it wasn't for Amp Damage being overridden, I'd just use level 26 Battle Cry instead of Demon Limb

Last brainstorming from me since I builded the char:

a ) Merc Feeback: as suspected, eth shael reaper / cham gui / 30ias 15@ hades melts p1 council and is just one of multiple set ups to avoid HRs.

I'm not even entering the TC about Reaper odds to chill a super elite for 1 frame but, trust me, the numbers are very, very low in real play scenario. google some infoes on it since we are not able to link other boards aside d2jsp if u like to crunch down some theorycraft before picking your MW and you are considering reaper.

b ) Switch feeback: I do feel spirit is insane for tele / 55fhr/ overcap res. I have fres/lres capped alrdy on ali side, when I tele to council with spirit I can stend into w/ever without any risk of dying (even overcapped fire res to counter spirit lack but that's an overkill)

Talking of prebuffs, I don't feel limb is even really needed atm. Hoto would give you even extra FCR breakpoints and 3 BO or the classic CTA for extra BO. I suspect Hoto would be a nice compromise, or even hoto plus cta to keep str low but honestly spirit is way too good for fcr/fhr/res/it's a spirit and is d2 (another prop to hades for free AR)

c ) for "GG" variants, I think you have to consider real economy vs content creation /collection

in d2legacy I had some couple of "overkill" GG pvm chars mainly for collection (sadly I lost the last total perf tyrael might imported of EU, mbad).

With THIS economy, If I was up to build a GG GF baba I would prob switch to WW hybrid with 30FRW 45/140 circlet and an high budget inventory. Mine on d2l had perf torch prepatch and all kind of juicy stuff.

WW PVM baba "feels" better to play at the end of the day if you have an insane budget, also it can EXP at p8 rather then just leeching (I was not referring to you farming trav at p7, I was talking about level push for your baba in my last post).

With a merc GF baba I would suggest to level push to 92 for 100% plus 2 all skill on circlet gamblet or 87 for coronet gamblet if you are lazy and call it a day.

If you want to improve your topic, anyway, I would go deep on some TC for gambling affixes, that till some stuff that d2jsp community like to be refreshed about from time to time.

edit: last note on Item Finding breakpoints. It's just me but between pushing IF past 50/52 I would rather pump into Increase Speed. It's nothing personal, just my need for speed play with a char builder to balance things out. Just to say I don't think 20 hardpoints in IF are really mandatory but that's me.

I'm out, GL gold finding!

This post was edited by Banjoco on Nov 17 2021 08:36am

a ) Of course Reaper/GFace/Hades clears council. But at the end of the day it's still worse than an Amn'd Arioc's all other things being equal, since you can't use Amp Dmg with Reaper's and it shatters corpses. I can't see an argument in favor of it, aside from not wanting to swap for Gavel at all.

b ) Spirit/HOTO for Tele would mean you're not using Gavel on swap. I don't know why you would do that, unless you really hate repairing between runs? Decrepify from Reaper's doubles your damage (50% Phys Resist goes to 0%), but Amp Dmg from Gavel triples it (50% Phys Res goes to -50%), which further mitigates the odds that Council members heal. You should be popping corpses & teleporting while you're wielding Lem Swords/Ali Babas & your merc is fighting, not just when the fighting is done. Having FCR on swap isn't anywhere as useful as having it on Circlet/Amulet/Belt since you cast spells midfight.

And if for whatever reason you really want to use Reaper's or a swap Spellsteel's Decrepify over Amp Damage, Demon Limb as part of your prebuff routine would still be better than the FCR.

c) Yeah, that's part of why I added gearing options for different levels to the Merc section. At the end of the day you should still always be using Arioc's Needle unless:
- you're on eBOTD, as an alternative gearing option
- you're too low level & need to use Bonehew
- you're farming Nightmare at low level & using an upgraded Hone Sundan with 3 Lem Runes
- you're farming Nightmare at max gear & using a Tomb Reaver with 3 Lem runes.

If you want to DPS on your own, there are a couple things you can do, but the issue is that even if you clear faster DPSing with 1500 Goldfind, you're still stuck with a 60-80s game remake timer. As long as you're sub-1 minute for Trav, it's fine. Obviously I'd make a completely different guide if I wanted to focus on a good general content GF/MF Barb; those are super fun, but they're reaaally different. Dual-wielding Eth Balrog Blades with Oath, etc, tons of options exist.

I don't really enjoy WW PvM Barbarian personally, so it really does come down to preference; one day maybe someone ( ?) will come out with that Frenzy/WW Goldfind Barb guide, and we'll rejoice.

As far as Increased Speed vs. Find Item, there is a 0% chance that going from 40% Increased Speed to 45% Increased Speed will compensate for losing 4% extra loot total (worth 92%-104%GF depending on whether you're at 2300% or 2600% GF).
The only alternative place to gets points for Increased Speed is in Battle Cry, which is only relevant to break Stone Skin or vs. stragglers that didn't get hit by Amp Damage. You can easily just move all the points from Battle Cry into Increased Speed instead; that's what I used to do.

This post was edited by Exokek on Nov 17 2021 08:45am

Let me try to give you a "general" scenario from one of my favorite replies when people start to "epenis" on pvm builds



You may or not know that spaz is one of the biggest collectors of pre patch items in the history of d2, he could have literally builded a bliz sorc 100% total perf with hybrids or the classic "gg" enigma" // coh (couz u NEED to overkill res vs conviction kappa).

He does NOT. What he does suggest, with an INSANE collection then most common folks can even imagine is... yeah... 3 tal for bliz sorc even at p8, and he doesn't even talk about gg 7fhr/9str/30fres/3maek jewels or smthing. He suggests WATERWALK.

You don't need amplify ESPECIALLY if u have ebotd at p1, you don't need to switch at p1, you don't need to give up spirit/hoto/cta switch and lose 12380972381092371 fcr breakpoints or overpay for an insane GG fcr belt. You don't need COH or enigma on a blizz sorc at p8 even if you have the best collection of d2 items ever.

You pretend to, and your gf barb looks like a coh sorc to me, you pretend to need those switches but you don't. I'm out

This post was edited by Banjoco on Nov 17 2021 09:03am

I had a full pre-1.08 barb called Avarice, ran the typical 3k+ Goldfind setups as part of the experiment. That was around the time I got into jsp more, in 2019. I spent forever looking for pre-08 travs with 100GF but had to go to Classic to even have a chance. Decided against porting items over to LoD out of respect for the people who sold the items to me.

Amp Damage is here because the difference between a 1 minute 30 run and 45 seconds run adds up over time.
And no, you don't "need" Amplify, but you want it because it's zero effort & slices down your runs. It's a small area, monsters are cramped. You wouldn't use Amp Damage doing regular MF runs because that shit is ineffective.

Why are you just copy pasting a Sorc CS Merc for Trav, when the whole point of the run as a Barb is to pop corpses with Find Item? Sorcs don't give a shit that Cold damage can shatter corpses. You do.

This is the most misplaced appeal to credentialism I've seen in a long while.

This post was edited by Exokek on Nov 17 2021 09:05am

couz that post is to remember to myself that I don't need to move around my enig when I play bliz sorc couz "gg eni", I don't need to buy 1 extra arach and do all that sort of stuff.

Your ebotd naked merc at p1 will out dps your APM in a MF hybrid build even if u are a god at identify speed and that's without amplify, or if you go pure GF blizzard timer will wall you into next game. You don't consider real gameplay but just pretend m8, and before people build an eth coh (roflmao) I want them to know.


yours build is min/max plus TC epenis and not even close to be "real" exactly as all the coh sorcs out there and that's couz u are that kind of player that seek 100% eg pre patch boots and you did a guide for your own "epenis" and not for real gameplay.

I got your point, you got mine. Not gonna spam further pal.

This post was edited by Banjoco on Nov 17 2021 09:22am

No one needs to put on an Eth CoH, Fort is totally fine. And at the bottom are a ton of cheap & great alternatives to those BiS setups.
You didn't read very far if you think this guide says "don't goldfind unless u put on CoH & Fort!11!!!"

This post was edited by Exokek on Nov 17 2021 09:21am