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Jul 13 2023 04:00pm
Quote (AOBNben @ 13 Jul 2023 11:53)
Getting close to putting together this build, have got almost everything I need to at least start gear wise, need a few more levels to wear andy so merc is rocking a vamp temporarily. Gonna need some more res from charms & still need to knock os some more quests too. Hopefully by the weekend i’ll be farming.

Glad I came across this guide, a really good read and happy I went this route over the more common high gf but slow clear builds. Thx for putting it together.


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Yeah have already done so ty, 3os ll merc helms are exxy tho -_-
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Jul 15 2023 09:50am
I was using chancies at trav back in 1.09! I demand my attribution!

Just thought I should mentioned thos.
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Aug 14 2023 08:52am
Thanks for your guide, I refer to it often and refer others to it as well.

Wanted to share a few things I learned from my own experimentation:

Switch to your lem sword when you quit the game: D2R remembers the quick cast of your demon gavel amp charges IF you quit and are not holding them when you quit the game. I've tested it, don't know why it works but it does. It also remembers your quick cast for demon limb enchant even when you take it off

Demon limb cube swap with Shift+click. Learned it a few days ago, saves time, no risk of dropping stuff. Learned this from for Wiz-CTA swap on a diff char and application

Still using A5 (2x grief, fort, arreat face), Char planner seems to show higher dps vs the setups you've shown. Only thing is that he seems to taunt off amp sometimes

Also, have you done any testing of using bone break? Studying 2.5 PTR vs live patch notes seem to suggest that amp and decrep work at 100% effectiveness vs sundered enemies (because only decrep and conviction got the 1/5 nerf) and seems to line up with my limited experience on fishymancer and my smaller horker data set. Wondering if others can corroborate this. Would lead to a 5x increase of dmg vs immunes)
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Aug 14 2023 09:49am
Quote (ArchaicHonor @ 14 Aug 2023 10:52)
Thanks for your guide, I refer to it often and refer others to it as well.

Wanted to share a few things I learned from my own experimentation:

Switch to your lem sword when you quit the game: D2R remembers the quick cast of your demon gavel amp charges IF you quit and are not holding them when you quit the game. I've tested it, don't know why it works but it does. It also remembers your quick cast for demon limb enchant even when you take it off

Demon limb cube swap with Shift+click. Learned it a few days ago, saves time, no risk of dropping stuff. Learned this from ^Inar for Wiz-CTA swap on a diff char and application

Still using A5 (2x grief, fort, arreat face), Char planner seems to show higher dps vs the setups you've shown. Only thing is that he seems to taunt off amp sometimes

Also, have you done any testing of using bone break? Studying 2.5 PTR vs live patch notes seem to suggest that amp and decrep work at 100% effectiveness vs sundered enemies (because only decrep and conviction got the 1/5 nerf) and seems to line up with my limited experience on fishymancer and my smaller horker data set. Wondering if others can corroborate this. Would lead to a 5x increase of dmg vs immunes)


A5 is still worse unless things changed.

Tried Bone Break but unsure if the Amp scaling is independently calculated for the Merc?

Have some updates in my profile, A5 I still think is worse by a sizable margin. Could be wrong. Big fan of Grief or Beast MH with Zerk last I messed with this <3
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Quote (ArchaicHonor @ Aug 14 2023 10:52am)
Thanks for your guide, I refer to it often and refer others to it as well.

Wanted to share a few things I learned from my own experimentation:

Switch to your lem sword when you quit the game: D2R remembers the quick cast of your demon gavel amp charges IF you quit and are not holding them when you quit the game. I've tested it, don't know why it works but it does. It also remembers your quick cast for demon limb enchant even when you take it off

Demon limb cube swap with Shift+click. Learned it a few days ago, saves time, no risk of dropping stuff. Learned this from ^Inar for Wiz-CTA swap on a diff char and application

Still using A5 (2x grief, fort, arreat face), Char planner seems to show higher dps vs the setups you've shown. Only thing is that he seems to taunt off amp sometimes

Also, have you done any testing of using bone break? Studying 2.5 PTR vs live patch notes seem to suggest that amp and decrep work at 100% effectiveness vs sundered enemies (because only decrep and conviction got the 1/5 nerf) and seems to line up with my limited experience on fishymancer and my smaller horker data set. Wondering if others can corroborate this. Would lead to a 5x increase of dmg vs immunes)


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A5 is still worse unless things changed.

Tried Bone Break but unsure if the Amp scaling is independently calculated for the Merc?

Have some updates in my profile, A5 I still think is worse by a sizable margin. Could be wrong. Big fan of Grief or Beast MH with Zerk last I messed with this <3


yes decrep, grimward, and amp work at 100% effectiveness. but it only counts as sundered for you, not the merc

maxroll will show higher dps for a5 on paper but
1) last i checked it's still incorrectly doubling on weap ed dmg
2) a5 merc seems to wiff a lot, maybe range issues..
3) trav council healing likely means a2 single target burst is favored over a5 distributed dps
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Aug 14 2023 11:14am
Quote (daanno2 @ Aug 14 2023 09:23am)
yes decrep, grimward, and amp work at 100% effectiveness. but it only counts as sundered for you, not the merc

maxroll will show higher dps for a5 on paper but
1) last i checked it's still incorrectly doubling on weap ed dmg
2) a5 merc seems to wiff a lot, maybe range issues..
3) trav council healing likely means a2 single target burst is favored over a5 distributed dps


I can't find any documentation for the merc not being affected by the sunder. If I forget to amp the physical immune he appears to still do damage to him with bone break on, doesn't that mean the sunder also applies to him?

1) Does planner still bug for grief as well since grief doesn't use ED on weapon?

2) Demon limb seems to make a huge difference, it's not gone but I def see what you mean if he's not enchanted. I've noticed it tends to be if the target is moving but I thought that was patched a bit back

3) I'm using war cry to stun to prevent healing and it seems to be ok. I am trading for the items now recommended in the profile to test out though, ty, I do find amp being taunted off to be annoying and it looks like I'm missing 15-20k dmg cus I never got the ias ed jewels
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Aug 14 2023 11:25am
Quote (ArchaicHonor @ Aug 14 2023 01:14pm)
I can't find any documentation for the merc not being affected by the sunder. If I forget to amp the physical immune he appears to still do damage to him with bone break on, doesn't that mean the sunder also applies to him?

1) Does planner still bug for grief as well since grief doesn't use ED on weapon?

2) Demon limb seems to make a huge difference, it's not gone but I def see what you mean if he's not enchanted. I've noticed it tends to be if the target is moving but I thought that was patched a bit back

3) I'm using war cry to stun to prevent healing and it seems to be ok. I am trading for the items now recommended in the profile to test out though, ty, I do find amp being taunted off to be annoying and it looks like I'm missing 15-20k dmg cus I never got the ias ed jewels


well for merc sunder, I last tested in ptr with a a3 fireball merc, did no dmg to fire immunes with flame rift. maybe you have a small source of elemental dmg, like enchant from limb.

1) grief is still bugged, albiet much less. the base weapon dmg shows as 62-70, exactly double the base dmg of a pb. It's also why maxroll will show something like eth headstriker as way more dmg, even though in any simple test grief out dps it easily now.

2) yea the rangadder for a5 merc is less than a2 so when council becoming cowards i think it makes a huge difference

3) the council spawns don't always make it easy or even practical to warcry everything

and back when i tested, i also had survivability issues with a5 for whatever reason. about the only thing he does better IMO is chasing down stragglers while you hork.
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Aug 14 2023 11:55am
Quote (Exokek @ Mar 2 2023 04:56am)
Headstriker just got ruined.



Maybe I missed this in March but how did Headstriker get ruined? I'm not using it but I'd like know, thanks

Checked out your profile, trading for the updated items, thanks

This post was edited by ArchaicHonor on Aug 14 2023 12:02pm
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Aug 14 2023 11:58am
Quote (ArchaicHonor @ 14 Aug 2023 13:55)
Maybe I missed this but how did Headstriker get ruined? I'm not using it but I'd like know, thanks

Checked out your profile, trading for the updated items, thanks


They fixed the scaling bug
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