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Quote (InigoMontoya @ Nov 16 2021 01:21am)
Originally i thought ITD worked, and enchant worked with deadly strike, so it was a no brainer that Needle would be better. But learned neither work


Where exactly did you find that ITD don't work in mercs? All I can find is that is not working if you attack a merc.
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Quote (InigoMontoya @ 15 Nov 2021 19:20)
"Lvl 54 Enchant makes a TON of difference"
Yea it does. I was more referencing if it makes a difference between liking eBOTD vs Needle more.

A Cham sure would be nice.


Oh, no they're both phenomenal at 54 enchant. At that point the variance is lowered from BotD barring very small frame window incoming burst damage. The faster hits from Arioc's can soften that but it's a complete non-issue imo at that gear level. You can farm P8 even if you want at that point.

Hypothetically Arioc's still pulls ahead in DPS a bit, but the life leech drop might be noticeable.
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Nov 15 2021 06:32pm
see, i was feeling almost the opposite of you. That the needle was depending too much on the deadly trike, and that the faster hits were nice, but without the deadly strike popping consistently i was at the mercy of RNG, with potentially low range hits, with no DS making it seem very inconsistent
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Quote (Titus1986 @ 15 Nov 2021 19:23)
Where exactly did you find that ITD don't work in mercs? All I can find is that is not working if you attack a merc.


Yeah that's what I recall.
The wording on some of the info seems a little odd.

I was fairly confident it worked on them, but the fandom wiki says otherwise?

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Quote (Titus1986 @ Nov 15 2021 07:23pm)
Where exactly did you find that ITD don't work in mercs? All I can find is that is not working if you attack a merc.


Well, some of my viewers told me this. I tried to research it and found conflicting info. I tried to test it and its too hard to tell for me. The stuff it "can" work on dies too fast...
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Quote (InigoMontoya @ Nov 16 2021 01:38am)
Well, some of my viewers told me this. I tried to research it and found conflicting info. I tried to test it and its too hard to tell for me. The stuff it "can" work on dies too fast...


Quote (Exokek @ Nov 16 2021 01:35am)
Yeah that's what I recall.
The wording on some of the info seems a little odd.

I was fairly confident it worked on them, but the fandom wiki says otherwise?


I'm really 50/50 on this one.

The fandom wikia indeed says that does not work.

I also found a couple of old post about this, and someone mention that don't work for hirelings, and it was not corrected for some of the diablo 2 old Gurus that participate in that thread (but no one confirm it either...)+

On the other hand I found very very rare that amazonbasin don't explain that is not working while they are very clear with hirelings not being able to apply PMH.

D2maxroll also take into account ITD in mercs, but of course, the page still is WiP and it has some flaws, even if most of the time they did a great job with all the formulas.

It should be tested, in any case if I find a more definity answer anywhere I would be sure to put it here too.
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Quote (Titus1986 @ Nov 16 2021 12:50am)
I'm really 50/50 on this one.

The fandom wikia indeed says that does not work.

I also found a couple of old post about this, and someone mention that don't work for hirelings, and it was not corrected for some of the diablo 2 old Gurus that participate in that thread (but no one confirm it either...)+

On the other hand I found very very rare that amazonbasin don't explain that is not working while they are very clear with hirelings not being able to apply PMH.

D2maxroll also take into account ITD in mercs, but of course, the page still is WiP and it has some flaws, even if most of the time they did a great job with all the formulas.

It should be tested, in any case if I find a more definity answer anywhere I would be sure to put it here too.

https://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/index.php?title=Ignore_Target%27s_Defense

Quote (Titus1986 @ Nov 16 2021 12:58am)
ITD does not apply to any of the following:
Mercenary

And we are asking if mercenaries can apply ITD, not the other way around.

Yes, hence why it doesn't say they can't apply it.

Quote (Exokek @ Nov 16 2021 01:07am)
Right. I know 100% Prevent Monster Heal DOES NOT work.

I was under the impression that Arioc's ITD worked vs. minions at Council but not on Super Uniques.

Correct https://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/index.php?title=Prevent_Monster_Heal


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I will ask senpaisomething about it, he has a lot if internal knowledge about things like this due to making PD2
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ITD does not apply to any of the following:
Mercenary

And we are asking if mercenaries can apply ITD, not the other way around.
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Quote (Titus1986 @ 15 Nov 2021 19:58)
ITD does not apply to any of the following:
Mercenary

And we are asking if mercenaries can apply ITD, not the other way around.


Right. I know 100% Prevent Monster Heal DOES NOT work.

I was under the impression that Arioc's ITD worked vs. minions at Council but not on Super Uniques.

From my own testing (and even MaxRoll), it should work. Just put a Jah into any weapon and see what happens. Then again that might also just be a bug due to it not being adapted to Mercs :(

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