d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Diablo II > Diablo 2 Discussion > Strategy & Guides > The Shaman > A Guide By Deathwinger.
Prev1151617181986Next
Closed New Topic New Poll
Banned
Posts: 4,909
Joined: Jun 1 2009
Gold: 8.37
Aug 11 2009 07:07pm
Quote (young2093 @ Tue, Aug 11 2009, 08:06pm)
I'd take 102 c/c LS over 174 w/s WoF


Against a windy?
I sure wouldn't

Too many duels against potatoes and his crispysin taught me
Member
Posts: 14,928
Joined: Mar 27 2005
Gold: 16.11
Aug 11 2009 07:09pm
Quote (young2093 @ Tue, Aug 11 2009, 09:06pm)
I'd take 102 c/c LS over 174 w/s WoF


It's just further proof that all clan_iraq duels are bad pubs.

Wake of Fire trapper versus a good windy is damn hard, simply because it takes a lot of hits to break cyclone armor and a druid that can WSG well can get out of traps pretty easily, especially since WoF has a longer initial delay than LS and the projectiles shoot so slowly.

This post was edited by drt1245 on Aug 11 2009 07:10pm
Member
Posts: 8,721
Joined: May 5 2005
Gold: 17.53
Aug 11 2009 07:11pm
Quote (young2093 @ Wed, Aug 12 2009, 01:06am)
I'd take 102 c/c LS over 174 w/s WoF


same here.
wof startup delay is horrible.
Member
Posts: 41,350
Joined: Apr 16 2008
Gold: 0.00
Aug 11 2009 07:17pm
Quote (drt1245 @ Tue, 11 Aug 2009, 19:09)
It's just further proof that all clan_iraq duels are bad pubs.

Wake of Fire trapper versus a good windy is damn hard, simply because it takes a lot of hits to break cyclone armor and a druid that can WSG well can get out of traps pretty easily, especially since WoF has a longer initial delay than LS and the projectiles shoot so slowly.


No c/c is just horrible. One stomp and it's over.
Member
Posts: 14,928
Joined: Mar 27 2005
Gold: 16.11
Aug 11 2009 07:18pm
Quote (young2093 @ Tue, Aug 11 2009, 09:17pm)
No c/c is just horrible. One stomp and it's over.


Also, he apparently doesn't see the need for DR

Quote (clan_iraq @ Tue, May 5 2009, 05:08pm)
no, it will not be good at stunning. I don't even back down from 174% fcr on my firetrappers, ever.

You can hit 1350 traps with a 174% w/s setup, or 1500 with a 102% c/c setup mirroring yours , or 1600 traps with your 63% fcr c/c setup
Seeing as the duel isn't a matter of "how much dps do I deal", instead being "am I fast enough to lock them down", because in most duels, even if they know to WSG out, once you've locked someone, they are effectively dead, regardless of if you do 1600 traps or 1000 traps. Theres plenty to argue for clawblock, but DR simply isn't terribly important; wind druids are trivial and bvc's/chargers, well, they'll either miss entirely or eat you alive, now won't they? Shael your griffons and call it a day if you want to stick with c/c


:thumbsup:
Banned
Posts: 4,909
Joined: Jun 1 2009
Gold: 8.37
Aug 11 2009 07:20pm
I'll keep that in mind guys, when ghosts start using lightning sentry to stun instead of wof
Srsly now. Everyone knows WoF stuns a hell of a lot better. You can argue what you want about damage output, but stuff like 'wof startup' is being ridiculous
Member
Posts: 26,110
Joined: Oct 15 2007
Gold: 131.17
Aug 11 2009 07:21pm
deathwigger lololol
Member
Posts: 8,721
Joined: May 5 2005
Gold: 17.53
Aug 11 2009 07:22pm
Quote (young2093 @ Wed, Aug 12 2009, 01:17am)
No c/c is just horrible. One stomp and it's over.


c/c is nice but ya, 102 w/s with 50dr + bos does make it a lot easier vs druids.
Member
Posts: 14,928
Joined: Mar 27 2005
Gold: 16.11
Aug 11 2009 07:23pm
Quote (deathwinger @ Tue, Aug 11 2009, 09:20pm)
I'll keep that in mind guys, when ghosts start using lightning sentry to stun instead of wof
Srsly now. Everyone knows WoF stuns a hell of a lot better. You can argue what you want about damage output, but stuff like 'wof startup' is being ridiculous


Lightning Sentry
Initial Delay - 33 frames
Firing Speed - 30 fpa
NextDelay - None
Shots - 10

Wake of Fire
Initial Delay - 40 frames
Firing Speed - 17 fpa
NextDelay - 4 frames
Shots - 5


WAT ?_?

Quote (Ziecheik @ Tue, Aug 11 2009, 09:22pm)
c/c is nice but ya, 102 w/s with 50dr + bos does make it a lot easier vs druids.


65 FCR c/c 50% DR is best, IMO

This post was edited by drt1245 on Aug 11 2009 07:23pm
Member
Posts: 8,721
Joined: May 5 2005
Gold: 17.53
Aug 11 2009 07:24pm
Quote (deathwinger @ Wed, Aug 12 2009, 01:20am)
I'll keep that in mind guys, when ghosts start using lightning sentry to stun instead of wof
Srsly now. Everyone knows WoF stuns a hell of a lot better. You can argue what you want about damage output, but stuff like 'wof startup' is being ridiculous


a lot of my primary stunning tactics on ghost revolve around ls actually.
I do mix wof in there of course but that faster initial shot from ls sets everything up.
I even use level 1 ls to help getting the stun started on pure wof builds.
trust me the delay on wof sucks and it starts becoming very very apparent once you get to players outside pubs.

This post was edited by Ziecheik on Aug 11 2009 07:26pm
Go Back To Strategy & Guides Topic List
Prev1151617181986Next
Closed New Topic New Poll