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Oct 14 2009 10:25pm
Quote (bulx0001 @ Thu, Oct 15 2009, 12:15am)
Do you have a ghost sin guide up somewhere that's not stickied?


nope i never released a ghost sin guide. but people ask me for my build all the time and i usually end up telling them for fg donations :)
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Oct 15 2009 07:02am
This is the gear I used to make a hybrid on ladder so it should be applicable to all realms as it doesn't rely on bugged items, 08/09 realm specific rares/crafts or anything like that. Feel free to use any of this information in your guide to stop the bitching about shide and d2pk items since you can make this sin on realms with base str/dex if you have to. You can wear any combination of elite/exceptional claws and see for yourself which works out best. I use runic/feral because I can and theres no sense to me in paying more fg for lower damage claws like gts.

Gear:

Helm:
+2 Assassin Skills/20% Faster Cast Rate Circlet (2x of these, one plain and reasonably cheap 2os, double ber'ed and a 1os rare with other nice mods like +20 str and 15/15ed)

Amulet:
Mara's Kaleidoscope/Highlord's Wrath/2 skill/10fcr/life/mana 'Caster' ammy

Armour:
'Enigma' Mage Plate

Belt:
Arachnid Mesh

Ring 1:
Ravenfrost

Ring 2:
Crafted 'Blood' ring with 10% faster cast rate/20+ strength/life/mana

Gloves:
Trang Oul's Claw

Boots:
Shadow Dancer

Claws:
Runic Fury and Feral Chaos

Strength:

I've got +20 str on my circlet and +20 str on fcr ring and at level 96 Enigma gives +72 str

20 base
20 torch
20 anni
20 circlet
20 fcr ring
72 enigma
5 maras
10 chaos

total = 187 strength

Its pretty easy to go base strength and still have more than enough points to wear elite claws and sdancers (str req = 167). Add 5 points if you want to use Highlords and still have some headroom do things like swap circlet for a double ber'ed circ that doesn't cost a billion fg.

Dexterity:

20 base
20 torch
20 anni
20 ravenfrost
5 maras
25 sdancers

total = 110 dexterity

I added 10 hard points in dex because I wanted to have Highlord's and fcr ammy available as swaps. When you get to level 96 you can use a 10fcr/15 dex ring instead of a 10fcr/20 str ring and still be able to wear sdancers so its possible to wear everything with base str and dex if you can be arsed to baal that long. I guess you can add a bit more str if you still want the flexibility to swap between double ber circ and rare 1os assuming you aren't one of those rich gits that has a 2/20/vis/str/2os bastard circ.

Conclusion:

I dont think its difficult to make this sin on any realm using any combination of elite claws. Difference on the character sheet iisn't huge between a runic and gt I guess but it all adds up with an attack like whirlwind. I think most people are better off not obsessing over numbers and practicing their tri whirls etc so they can make all of their damage count. Ladder is where you can see alot of people with ridiculously baller builds doing slopping whirls so it doesn't matter if their damage is huge cuz they can't convert it.

I stopped obsessing over stats in favor of just dumping the points where I need them to a point since I like having gear flexibility to experiment with different setups without breaking everything.

Sin does 3.7k/2.8k whirl with 4.8k ar roughly (fury) and 3.7k/2.5k with 10.5k ar (fools) (1 point mastery). At level 96, LS will be upwards of 7k dmg (mines level 95 with 7.1k LS with a hard point in dtalon/dclaw and bladeshield). My fools is a gt though because I haven't found a runic one with 2os and 40% ias that doesn't cost a fortune.

Using the same setup on my Ghost gives 3.9k/3k whirl with 6.6k ar (fury) and 14.5k (fools) as well as a dearth of spare skill points after hitting 50% dr with fade + enigma only and 60% claw block with all setups + the hard points in dtalon/dclaw and bladeshield.

This post was edited by Anagain on Oct 15 2009 07:07am
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Oct 15 2009 09:24am
Quote (Anagain @ Thu, Oct 15 2009, 06:02am)
This is the gear I used to make a hybrid on ladder so it should be applicable to all realms as it doesn't rely on bugged items, 08/09 realm specific rares/crafts or anything like that. Feel free to use any of this information in your guide to stop the bitching about shide and d2pk items since you can make this sin on realms with base str/dex if you have to. You can wear any combination of elite/exceptional claws and see for yourself which works out best. I use runic/feral because I can and theres no sense to me in paying more fg for lower damage claws like gts.

Gear:

Helm:
+2 Assassin Skills/20% Faster Cast Rate Circlet (2x of these, one plain and reasonably cheap 2os, double ber'ed and a 1os rare with other nice mods like +20 str and 15/15ed)

Amulet:
Mara's Kaleidoscope/Highlord's Wrath/2 skill/10fcr/life/mana 'Caster' ammy

Armour:
'Enigma' Mage Plate

Belt:
Arachnid Mesh

Ring 1:
Ravenfrost

Ring 2:
Crafted 'Blood' ring with 10% faster cast rate/20+ strength/life/mana

Gloves:
Trang Oul's Claw

Boots:
Shadow Dancer

Claws:
Runic Fury and Feral Chaos

Strength:

I've got +20 str on my circlet and +20 str on fcr ring and at level 96 Enigma gives +72 str

20 base
20 torch
20 anni
20 circlet
20 fcr ring
72 enigma
5 maras
10 chaos

total = 187 strength

Its pretty easy to go base strength and still have more than enough points to wear elite claws and sdancers (str req = 167). Add 5 points if you want to use Highlords and still have some headroom do things like swap circlet for a double ber'ed circ that doesn't cost a billion fg.

Dexterity:

20 base
20 torch
20 anni
20 ravenfrost
5 maras
25 sdancers

total = 110 dexterity

I added 10 hard points in dex because I wanted to have Highlord's and fcr ammy available as swaps. When you get to level 96 you can use a 10fcr/15 dex ring instead of a 10fcr/20 str ring and still be able to wear sdancers so its possible to wear everything with base str and dex if you can be arsed to baal that long. I guess you can add a bit more str if you still want the flexibility to swap between double ber circ and rare 1os assuming you aren't one of those rich gits that has a 2/20/vis/str/2os bastard circ.

Conclusion:

I dont think its difficult to make this sin on any realm using any combination of elite claws. Difference on the character sheet iisn't huge between a runic and gt I guess but it all adds up with an attack like whirlwind. I think most people are better off not obsessing over numbers and practicing their tri whirls etc so they can make all of their damage count. Ladder is where you can see alot of people with ridiculously baller builds doing slopping whirls so it doesn't matter if their damage is huge cuz they can't convert it.

I stopped obsessing over stats in favor of just dumping the points where I need them to a point since I like having gear flexibility to experiment with different setups without breaking everything.

Sin does 3.7k/2.8k whirl with 4.8k ar roughly (fury) and 3.7k/2.5k with 10.5k ar (fools) (1 point mastery). At level 96, LS will be upwards of 7k dmg (mines level 95 with 7.1k LS with a hard point in dtalon/dclaw and bladeshield). My fools is a gt though because I haven't found a runic one with 2os and 40% ias that doesn't cost a fortune.

Using the same setup on my Ghost gives 3.9k/3k whirl with 6.6k ar (fury) and 14.5k (fools) as well as a dearth of spare skill points after hitting 50% dr with fade + enigma only and 60% claw block with all setups + the hard points in dtalon/dclaw and bladeshield.


Why the hell did you post a guide in a guide?
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Oct 15 2009 09:32am
Because the above isn't in Bui's guide and what it is addressing came up in the last few pages.

umad or something?

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Oct 15 2009 09:34am
Quote (Bryant @ Thu, Oct 15 2009, 11:24am)
Why the hell did you post a guide in a guide?


yo dawg I herd you liek guides

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Oct 15 2009 09:37am
Quote (Anagain @ Thu, Oct 15 2009, 08:32am)
Because the above isn't in Bui's guide and what it is addressing came up in the last few pages.

umad or something?


He answered the question already, there's no need for you to post that.
udumb or something?
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Oct 15 2009 09:40am
Its additional and in more detail. If you have nothing productive to say you can go back to jerking off over the dame in your sig again. Don't worry, I won't tell your mom you are making a mess of her sheets.

This post was edited by Anagain on Oct 15 2009 09:40am
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Oct 15 2009 09:42am
Quote (Anagain @ Thu, Oct 15 2009, 08:40am)
Its additional and in more detail. If you have nothing productive to say you can go back to jerking off over the dame in your sig again. Don't worry, I won't tell your mom.


You posted something common sense can solve.
WOW WHAT AN ADDITION.
You also posted unnecessary information.
WOW WHAT AN ADDITION.
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Oct 15 2009 09:43am
Just pretend its not your hand but rather her vagina.
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Quote (Anagain @ Thu, Oct 15 2009, 08:43am)
Just pretend its not your hand but rather her vagina.


Aww did the little 09 run out of arguments?
Cute.
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