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Oct 22 2022 08:11am
Quote (kartoffelheinz @ 22 Oct 2022 10:08)
Thank you for your feedback.

So dps armor it should be. Is there any option apart from CoH or Foti that is viable and does not cost a fortune?

I know my lvl is lowish, but leveling this guy just does not make any fun at all. But will go 90 today. Was using Demon Limb before 88 but had not noticed a lot of difference since. I see their HP going down with each strike, so Waheed hits, but just hits with little dmg. But maybe I'm not seeing the misses anyway. So will start using Enchant again - until what level does it make a difference?


Maybe Black Hades I guess
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Oct 22 2022 08:17am
Quote (kartoffelheinz @ Oct 22 2022 10:08am)
Thank you for your feedback.

So dps armor it should be. Is there any option apart from CoH or Foti that is viable and does not cost a fortune?

I know my lvl is lowish, but leveling this guy just does not make any fun at all. But will go 90 today. Was using Demon Limb before 88 but had not noticed a lot of difference since. I see their HP going down with each strike, so Waheed hits, but just hits with little dmg. But maybe I'm not seeing the misses anyway. So will start using Enchant again - until what level does it make a difference?


The AR issue is in part lvl difference and in part attack rating vs their defense, so it's a gradual thing in terms of making a difference.

Not a whole lot of budget dps armors out there, forti is cheapest option. Jab is only adding like 45%ed, and might is adding like 230%ed IF it even activates. So a 300% forti is basically either doubling or tripling dps.
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Oct 22 2022 08:21am
Quote (daanno2 @ 22 Oct 2022 16:17)
The AR issue is in part lvl difference and in part attack rating vs their defense, so it's a gradual thing in terms of making a difference.

Not a whole lot of budget dps armors out there, forti is cheapest option. Jab is only adding like 45%ed, and might is adding like 230%ed IF it even activates. So a 300% forti is basically either doubling or tripling dps.


Good thing is I use to run Eldirtch+Pindle before Trav, so Might Aura is always on.
Black Hades was something I tried when D2r first came out and then switched over to Eth Bane because of FHR and CNBF, which made a huge difference in not having to babysit him all the time. So I'd rather not go back there. Prolly have to invest into that Lo then - on the other hand, CoH only costs 200fg more, wouldn't you directly go that "endgame" route there?

Switching out weapon to eBotD Warpike will not make that much of a difference I suppose?

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Oct 22 2022 08:26am
Quote (kartoffelheinz @ Oct 22 2022 10:21am)
Good thing is I always run Eldirtch+Pindle before Trav, so Might Aura is always on.
Black Hades was something I tried when D2r first came out and then switched over to Eth Bane because of FHR and CNBF, which made a huge difference in not having to babysit him all the time. So I'd rather not go back there. Prolly have to invest into that Lo then - on the other hand, CoH only costs 200fg more, wouldn't you directly go that "endgame" route there?

Switching out weapon to eBotD Warpike will not make that much of a difference I suppose?


Yea Coh is almost as good offensively as Forti, but much better defensively esp stacking res against conviction. If you're running eld+pindle before hand definetly don't use forti, as ice armor will probably proc by the time you finish your runs and shatter bodies.

ebotd does nearly similar dmg as eth ariocs (maybe slightly less) but it's easier to gear for due to leech, giving you a lot more options on helm.
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Oct 31 2022 10:04am
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Yea Coh is almost as good offensively as Forti, but much better defensively esp stacking res against conviction. If you're running eld+pindle before hand definetly don't use forti, as ice armor will probably proc by the time you finish your runs and shatter bodies.

ebotd does nearly similar dmg as eth ariocs (maybe slightly less) but it's easier to gear for due to leech, giving you a lot more options on helm.


Okay, so CoH it will be, prob have to spend that ~700.

Problem though: Once I switch out GBane, I need to have CNBF on another part of equip. Since I'm not willing to pay ~800 for a 3os Lamprey Circlet and have no ias/dtd jewels at hand, I would need another temporary solution here until I get the Circlet and Jewels.
  • Keep Andy as helmet and socket with Cham. Will lose 75 ias bp and thus a lot of dps and might get into trouble with only 30 overstacked via res; still cost about 100 for that cham
  • Switch helmet to Kiras and socket with IAS Jewel: Will lose 75 ias bp but will NEVER run into any resistance trouble, costs basically nothing; a lot less dps though I guess
  • Switch helmet to Kiras 15ias and weapon to ebodt GT. Will keep 75 ias bp, never run into resistance trouble; would need to spend 300 for that ebodt
  • Switch helmet to Cham'd Gface and weapon to ebodt GT. Will not keep 75 ias bp, but probably still comparable dmg? cost 100 more than option 3, but is probably a lot more dmg?


Would love to hear your opinions what you'd recommend here.

Would you ditch the plan to go for that circlet build and just use one of the options as final?

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Oct 31 2022 11:01am
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Okay, so CoH it will be, prob have to spend that ~700.

Problem though: Once I switch out GBane, I need to have CNBF on another part of equip. Since I'm not willing to pay ~800 for a 3os Lamprey Circlet and have no ias/dtd jewels at hand, I would need another temporary solution here until I get the Circlet and Jewels.
  • Keep Andy as helmet and socket with Cham. Will lose 75 ias bp and thus a lot of dps and might get into trouble with only 30 overstacked via res; still cost about 100 for that cham
  • Switch helmet to Kiras and socket with IAS Jewel: Will lose 75 ias bp but will NEVER run into any resistance trouble, costs basically nothing; a lot less dps though I guess
  • Switch helmet to Kiras 15ias and weapon to ebodt GT. Will keep 75 ias bp, never run into resistance trouble; would need to spend 300 for that ebodt
  • Switch helmet to Cham'd Gface and weapon to ebodt GT. Will not keep 75 ias bp, but probably still comparable dmg? cost 100 more than option 3, but is probably a lot more dmg?


Would love to hear your opinions what you'd recommend here.

Would you ditch the plan to go for that circlet build and just use one of the options as final?


If CoH can Cham andy
Otherwise swap andy for 3os LL with 2x 15ias/cham
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Oct 31 2022 11:40am
Quote (kartoffelheinz @ Oct 31 2022 12:04pm)
Okay, so CoH it will be, prob have to spend that ~700.

Problem though: Once I switch out GBane, I need to have CNBF on another part of equip. Since I'm not willing to pay ~800 for a 3os Lamprey Circlet and have no ias/dtd jewels at hand, I would need another temporary solution here until I get the Circlet and Jewels.
  • Keep Andy as helmet and socket with Cham. Will lose 75 ias bp and thus a lot of dps and might get into trouble with only 30 overstacked via res; still cost about 100 for that cham
  • Switch helmet to Kiras and socket with IAS Jewel: Will lose 75 ias bp but will NEVER run into any resistance trouble, costs basically nothing; a lot less dps though I guess
  • Switch helmet to Kiras 15ias and weapon to ebodt GT. Will keep 75 ias bp, never run into resistance trouble; would need to spend 300 for that ebodt
  • Switch helmet to Cham'd Gface and weapon to ebodt GT. Will not keep 75 ias bp, but probably still comparable dmg? cost 100 more than option 3, but is probably a lot more dmg?


Would love to hear your opinions what you'd recommend here.

Would you ditch the plan to go for that circlet build and just use one of the options as final?


I'd personally go the kiras + eBOTD route. Also, you can get get a EBOTD gt for 300 already on ladder? That's amazing. Maybe you could try to get away with just leech on CoH and see happens. Likely requires a lot of micro and awareness of bad auras, etc.

Quote (Exokek @ Oct 31 2022 01:01pm)
If CoH can Cham andy
Otherwise swap andy for 3os LL with 2x 15ias/cham


Problem is that he's clearly somewhat budget conscious, and it feels bad "wasting" Cham with plain 15ias jewels. The bespoke 3os circ route is just too dependant on good jewels.
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Oct 31 2022 11:43am
Quote (daanno2 @ 31 Oct 2022 13:40)
I'd personally go the kiras + eBOTD route. Also, you can get get a EBOTD gt for 300 already on ladder? That's amazing. Maybe you could try to get away with just leech on CoH and see happens. Likely requires a lot of micro and awareness of bad auras, etc.



Problem is that he's clearly somewhat budget conscious, and it feels bad "wasting" Cham with plain 15ias jewels. The bespoke 3os circ route is just too dependant on good jewels.


i mean if the guy keeps COH he can use Andy, it gives like 65@
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Oct 31 2022 11:53am
Quote (kartoffelheinz @ Oct 31 2022 05:04pm)
Okay, so CoH it will be, prob have to spend that ~700.

Problem though: Once I switch out GBane, I need to have CNBF on another part of equip. Since I'm not willing to pay ~800 for a 3os Lamprey Circlet and have no ias/dtd jewels at hand, I would need another temporary solution here until I get the Circlet and Jewels.
  • Keep Andy as helmet and socket with Cham. Will lose 75 ias bp and thus a lot of dps and might get into trouble with only 30 overstacked via res; still cost about 100 for that cham
  • Switch helmet to Kiras and socket with IAS Jewel: Will lose 75 ias bp but will NEVER run into any resistance trouble, costs basically nothing; a lot less dps though I guess
  • Switch helmet to Kiras 15ias and weapon to ebodt GT. Will keep 75 ias bp, never run into resistance trouble; would need to spend 300 for that ebodt
  • Switch helmet to Cham'd Gface and weapon to ebodt GT. Will not keep 75 ias bp, but probably still comparable dmg? cost 100 more than option 3, but is probably a lot more dmg?


Would love to hear your opinions what you'd recommend here.

Would you ditch the plan to go for that circlet build and just use one of the options as final?


I felt a significant difference when I switched to Cham'd Gface and Botd GT, would recommend to a friend
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Oct 31 2022 11:59am
Quote (Darvulat @ 31 Oct 2022 13:53)
I felt a significant difference when I switched to Cham'd Gface and Botd GT, would recommend to a friend


yeah it's a great setup
basically at this point i think if you'Re not using beast offhand, GT/GFace is a totally fine go-to and pretty sick
you sometimes get screwed vs. the stone skin boys because your hits are a bit softer than WP, but it's hard to argue with the damage output
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