One thing I'm trying to math out is the value of fcr in these gf builds, and the implications on gear cost.

FCR feels subjectively very important, but with some analysis, seems objectively dubious.

The highest "reasonable" bp to aim for is 37fcr = 10 frames = 0.4s.
An easier one to hit is 20fcr = 11 frames = 0.44s
At 0fcr = 13 frames = 0.52s

So how many casts is in a typical run? Something like 4 teleports, 2 telekensis (lulz), 3 warcries, 11 horks (assuming all 11 horks are in the critical path timing wise). So let's say 20 casts.

Worst case scenario between 0fcr and 37fcr = 0.12s * 20 = 2.4s
More likely scenario between 20fcr and 37fcr = 0.04s * 20 = 0.8s

So we're not talking about very much time difference per run. There's huge rarity and cost implications here for gearing because

1) FCR on +2 circlets, ammys, and rings start edging into PVP bvc terrority and massively ramps up costs (esp with frw 2os mods on circlets)
2) FCR is another affix which represents another degree of freedom on the rarity of gear. If we forgo this, it's much easier to find that +2 barb/tele/gf ammy - it doesn't even have to be a crafted!

Personally I'm probably going to just stick with the 20fcr bp and call it a day.

FCR is a lot more subjective than it is objective value-wise; the base build is 20FCR.
37FCR is still ideal (and subjectively VERY noticeable), but it can be costly; I think it makes gameplay so much smoother I'd trade off a DStar for a 10fcr/40EG/MF if I had a Circlet/belt already.

This post was edited by Exokek on Sep 17 2022 10:44pm

I also subjectively "feel" the difference between even 20 and 37 fcr but can't really explain it as it's technically only 0.04s diffence. My guess is that the sound effect of horking doesn't match the actual animation, so that extra frame is audibly dragged out.

Just look at a recording of the gameplay & it's still very noticeable imo.
I notice it during buffs, Amp Dmg, horking, etc.

/shrug

hillarious xD

Thanks so much for this guide - incredibly detailed and well written, really enjoyed the read.

Currently gearing up a character and noted you mention some updates. Are these updates in the opening posts on page 1? I only ask as the "last edited" message on them indicates last update in 2021...

i believe updates are in Exokek profile. check that

Ooooooh awesome - thanks so much :)

Those options in profile are a bit out of my price range at the moment, so going to see if Andariels + Eth Ariocs + Gladiators Bane is still viable!

This post was edited by khaotique on Oct 18 2022 03:52am

Ya, doing this too. Already got an almost perfect eth ariocs and eth bane waiting for me to lvl my Aurelius
Will try to upgrade to the eBotd tough later I think.

Great call imo
If you can use Duriel's Shell that might even work better early on