luis if you want to get into items, i was on an eternity axe+nat barb after mike stole me, killing the pubs you were dying to. the first time i ever dueled you on QQ-FXF you said i was scrolling.
i didn't say you copied me in any way, just the fact is i was the first dual wield barb with botd+beast, maybe you couldn't afford it, but i was.

and luis, stop defending your idea, you want to test it with me tommorow when realms are fixed? or on 8ups right now? try using grief+grief or grief+beast compared to botd+grief/botd alone, the difference is huge. i told menzo to ww my zon with grief, it was making me dodge 1-2 times per ww as i was running around, botd would always get the full 3 hits/ mostly kill me or take me below half

i can tell you right now nicks barb did better damage/had better life/ and dueled better then any bvc on west. and i don't think you realise how early nick used leap. he made pure leapers early 1.1. you are to attached to the idea west barbs invented everything, Esruk used a leap beast/botd barb named THE-Irs within a month of 1.1, wes still uses jays account

and aj, i said the one i remeber, i'm sure there were alot but most stuck with max block, mostly autoaim barbs switched to vita before people, like fish / cute-boy etc. i used 60 base dex/max block on most of my barbs

This post was edited by marvel. on Jul 4 2006 10:09am

you beat pubs i died to?
i said you scrolled?
dont bs please.

your not gonna convince me on your "botd hits more" theory.
you throw around so many names arbitrarily, i have no idea who you are talking about nor does it really prove anything.
i may have said west barbs were the first bvc once before but even if they werent, they were one of the biggest contributers to making bvc popular.

you can say you or your friends were the best duelers ever and first at everything but i doubt most ppl believe you.
you claim the first leapers ever were in begining of .1, but mos aka war-godmode was using max leap in .9. what about that?

you never dueled my bvc ever or seen me duel much at all besides the one duel we had like 3 years ago when i was a bvb barb with medicore gear. so dont make assumptions.

i just find it really funny how you say ur the first barb to ever use botd/beast on all realms, even though you have no way to prove it.

This post was edited by luis19 on Jul 4 2006 10:49am

marvel. I don't know who you are and I really don't care who you are. Just wanted to throw that out there first off all. You should know what the WW bp's are, as they've been researched and I believe most of them are on Arreat Summit. There are IAS calculators out there too. I don't care what you say about ebotdz being faster than grief, because it's just not true. No one gives a fuck who the first BvC's were, or who created what. You didn't create dick, so please stfu and let Luis try to help those interested. I've never personally met/dueled Luis, but I've seen his vids and he is sick. He is a BvC champ and he just wants to help those with less understanding. So please, go choke or something, or at least just leave this thread alone.

0% and 34% IAS on BA's are the WW bp's.... there is no "hidden" bp, therefore making any 34+ grief just as fast as any ebotdz. Test on a non-skilled, non-block char on open. You'll see that everybody except for you is correct and that you have your head so far up your own ass to see the truth.

Stop theorycrafting,
stop sucking up all the bandwidth that could be used to better this forum instead of talk shit on it,
and lastly, please stop using oxygen that other organisms could put to better use (amoebas would be a good example here).


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Now that that's done w/, Luis, do you recommend Fortitude over enigma for any other matchups than what you stated? Also, I am a ladder player on East and I was just curious if you could tell me the stats on that duped FCR% ring you use in non, I believe they are called Rune Masters. I would like to get them when ladder resets for my current BvC, so I'd like to know the stats on them from a trustable source. Thank you for this guide, and thanks for your contribution to the barb dueling world.

i didnt say he was first, read my post. you said i scrolled you on QQ-FXF, and i was pubbing with you vs vt/bh pally you kept dying and i didn't.

i know what WW bps are, thats not what im saying. go test botd+grief compared to grief+grief, best example i can give you, then stop talking to me/get good on barb.

you think luis is sick? sick barbs get 5-0'd by blizz sorc, druid, and necro right? Oh wait, luis didn't have grief when i dueled him, Duels nullified!

tortured you're dumb sorry to say, you live by the book, and you fail at d2 and proabably about all aspects of life, seriously, go duel a bow zon with a grief/beast then duel her with a botd/beast and the point will be proven

not everything is written down and set in stone..

This post was edited by MenzoRLY on Jul 4 2006 11:12am

marvel., quoted wrong person

menzo, not even worth dignifying your comment

i quoted right person, read my first comment?

You don't know who you're talking to man...

Edit (so that comment doesn't sound so gay): You're talking to some of the biggest PvP nerds on the site - they know there shit.

This post was edited by Tylenol on Jul 4 2006 12:32pm

Well, I e-raging those said nerds. By the way, Tylenol, learn the proper "there, their, or they're" to use. In that case, it should've been their.

marvel who cares if i died in a pub game, its not hard to on a barb if u dont care about it like all the bm clans and carry 16 juvs. since when did pub games accurately messure how good someone is? ask anyone who's ever dueled me gm, and no marvel, dueling me 3 years ago doesnt really apply to how i play on a bvc.

marvel the last time you dueled me was 3 years ago on my medicore geared bvb barb.
since i made a bvc i havent lost to a bliz sorc, most necros and druids cant beat me as well as most classes.
pretty pathetic that you even bring stuff up from like 3 years ago. experience + 1k life + 1 fhr frame + grief + better gear + max leap makes a big difference.


read what i said. i said its funny that you can claim first barb all realms to use botd+beast with no proof. hell i can say i was the first barb to ever use leap and you'd have no proof that i wasnt. but i dont go around throwing out false information.


i dont remember saying anyone in qq scrolled or aa'd unless it was a joke.

who remembers stuff from 3 years ago and tries to use it against someone in a game forum. rofl, pathetic.

This post was edited by luis19 on Jul 4 2006 01:00pm