Quote (dark-soul @ 6 Feb 2022 13:51)

Why not play it yourself? The graphics look fitting for a Diablo game I like them a lot. The game has so many quality improvements over lod that it’s hard to go back. The shared and enlarged stash for one is a game changer. The mechanics and ias are the same atm as well for zealots. I think fury druids will have an issue in the next patch though with ias.

Quote (Hamm @ Feb 7 2022 12:09am)

I will not convince to anyone in so old duels like zeal vs zeal..
about click hold attacks.. if you really didnt realize my friends this principe after that so many years, than its really funny..that you just click and holded hah

I made so many duels and i know how it works and how i won those duels. Else i will not write it.

You cant click hold..its not working so good in many cases and so with clicking different times you are trigering different deadly strike also different attack rating applies in each attack.

Im sure my friend ^MrStyle can confirm that its not click hold but you hit better in many cases when you click more often on the enemy in many cases you can easy feel it from the duel stage also when you holding attack you can move the mouse in small "circles" on the opponent or moving it to sides with carefully to not walk away from direct line.
If i really have to explain this in this topic can be said is sad. If you really just click hold for yeats in zeal vs zeal. Hehh..funny.

This principe also working very well on my Jabzon when im attacking.. dont hold first attack to the end but watch you enemy you feel the duel and Re-click when you know the right time..
Funny but Fact and 100% truth ;)

Quote (MrStyle @ 6 Feb 2022 23:31)

Hello guys

I played a lot zvz and can say some of my conclusions, :

If the both opponents have high end eq overall there is no a recepy that can garantee you win every round

sometimes triggering helps , sometimes it brings you to a trap (the char bug and u cant hit)

holding the mouse to hit the opponent sometimes works good but sometimes not and there is a risk to angle

I think that this is duel and everyone should express himself and his way to win including aiming , so don't try to find a mistake in everything

have fun guys :)

Quote (Hamm @ Feb 6 2022 05:09pm)

I will not convince to anyone in so old duels like zeal vs zeal..
about click hold attacks.. if you really didnt realize my friends this principe after that so many years, than its really funny..that you just click and holded hah

I made so many duels and i know how it works and how i won those duels. Else i will not write it.

You cant click hold..its not working so good in many cases and so with clicking different times you are trigering different deadly strike also different attack rating applies in each attack.

Im sure my friend ^MrStyle can confirm that its not click hold but you hit better in many cases when you click more often on the enemy in many cases you can easy feel it from the duel stage also when you holding attack you can move the mouse in small "circles" on the opponent or moving it to sides with carefully to not walk away from direct line.
If i really have to explain this in this topic can be said is sad. If you really just click hold for years in zeal vs zeal. Hehh..funny.

This principe also working very well on my Jabzon when im attacking.. dont hold first attack to the end but watch you enemy you feel the duel and Re-click when you know the right time..
Funny but Fact and 100% truth ;)

Quote (Hamm @ Feb 5 2022 11:22am)

Im not new to melee.
I was reading your guide at 2010 and i tryed different builds in 2014-2016,
Especially Templars and Shafts..
Btw are the only uniques armors worth to use, than Rare Sacreds..

But i realized 3 years back that there are one max two builds that are best and are wining duels..and are that Imports Rares in LOD that win tournaments..i sold all d2 items from sorceres druids amazons necs etc. and i had 150k fgs so i decided as last fun to make Zealot with those gg Rare items was 3-4 years back that i did.

Thats why im telling max damage = win and its just simple easy to see math nothing else.

Thats why everyone is using same one or two builds of zealots its the fact and played dueled won.

About Eth bug exile tap duelers is also same builds.

About resurrected,
no more Eth Bugs there so only superior 15% ed eth vortex possible tho.
Also there is something wrong with ias in resurrected..
But as i said i dont play it so cant tell about that.

Also im not sure if you realized it/know that at LOD happened something with defense, is like year ago.
there is somehow cap for 36-38k defense and everything Over is not working properly and is useless to have.
My friend Istred realized it in his barbarian that he had 38.000def
and everything more than that not helped him in any case was same effect.. it dont have to be bug tho..
But everything over 38k def is just useless without any good effect and so its enough 36-38k def and so 25-27k ar in melee chars. Everything that will win after is maxing Damage to win.

In last 3 years everyone have that Best Rare gg items,
and only this players Left in melee duels,
So that your builds from 2009 with unique armors and others mostly u just combined them with eth bug vortex exile.. are out because Rares have everyone who play melee last years, in 2022 melee tours and ladders for sure..and those are wining now.

There is also still Luck and something, because however
i have not Best rares that exist, i won against that best rares(order spells, cruel crushers, carrion shells..) with mines ones that are (few stats less)..and reason i realized is that is really "caps" im calling it at ~36k def ~4klife and ~25k ar than Max Damage of your zelalot for fastest win..with every best dmg item possible..

Also im not sure if you guys ever realized or if u doing that
"Click and Hold" dueling, because i realized its not about that. You cant just click and hold zeal..
If you click different times on opponent or if you holding attack on him but moving with mouse up down on him or left right ir you making little circles on him with hikded attack, your character is making different Damage.
Its has to do with Range and exactly "points" on your opponent you are clicking with mouse.
Hard ti explain, juts, it is not about "Click and Hild attack to the end" im sure and is why i won against even stronger opponents seems..
I think with every new Clicking on opponent not only holding attack, will change your next attack to more attack rating one against opponent - i cant explain..but its the Fact.


I see from 2009 was Evolution of items and builds,
and was fun to play zeal paladin,
this evolution ended with Rare Imported items, thats all..

Still great work from you, your time and effort,
great job you have done for sure!
Many people hate zeals and call them click hold and wallet duels etc.. but dont care of them cause Zeal was allways my favorite character since singleplayer 2000 when d2 came out..

This topic is nice great job man!

Quote (Heat @ Feb 6 2022 01:18pm)

1450!?

Quote (ZeaLORDeaL @ Feb 6 2022 07:46pm)

Not true :p I had a good ol prudence build which would hit around 55k def and had pretty low max damage but won a lot of duels ;)

Pcombs are low key godly when you have a 3645 def armor..

I agree though exile being used is silly IMO. Limits build diversity tremendously.

Quote (dark-soul @ Feb 6 2022 05:43pm)

There used to be both tap and non tap tournies on East so people were always statted for both. And generally there were always plenty of fury druids and conc barbs in the melee games so it wasn’t uncommon to just be non tap all the time anyway. Tap in zeal vs zeal is just more fun though imo. Builds are more limited though.

And yes I agree eprud sa is great in non tap :)

Quote (Hamm @ Feb 6 2022 05:19pm)

Said who? What you have done? Show me or get tin foil hat for yourself ;)

Quote (ZeaLORDeaL @ Feb 6 2022 08:55pm)

People sleeping on 45 life pcombs ;)