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Feb 8 2020 12:59pm
Quote (hengster @ Feb 8 2020 10:59am)
WB!

2 questions:
1) considering the absurd 2020 market prices, would you recommend a 5% or 25% ctc firestorm torch on a zealot?
2) is the cham shako din still viable in 2020, and what inventory would you recommend based on it?

thanks.


1. If you care about e peen then get the 25%. Their is no difference other than cost and chance to caste on a spell that does no damage.

2. Cham shako din can still be viable. This is a great budget zealer, who wants to get into the scene. It also makes for a great gear swap from older builds like Levi, or valor. Will the shako din win tournaments? Those days are long gone, but I would say it is still a viable gear option for the price conscious paladin.

I would vary from Brad here on the inventory on this build. This is a common gear swap from Levi, and I would change the inventory. Most zealers. Now have atleast 1 SC with fire damage. 3 max/xx fire/ 20
Also for this build to be viable I would also recommend keeping 10x 36, 20s on hand for swaps. The reason for this is that most use a pally viso, . This can bump the ar up nicely to still compete vs viso. Another old school trick is to keep a few pcomb lifers as another inventory swap

This post was edited by donfromtgood on Feb 8 2020 01:04pm
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Feb 8 2020 05:25pm
Quote (PMS @ Jun 19 2009 10:26am)
*Note: You ber the gladiator bane even if you don't have a glitched one because it has a durability of 120 which lasts a long time before you will need to zod it.


I thought it was not allowed to use ethereal items unless indestructible ?

This open the door to use 3-4k def fortitude for example

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Feb 8 2020 07:43pm
Quote (PKSubban @ Feb 8 2020 06:25pm)
I thought it was not allowed to use ethereal items unless indestructible ?

This open the door to use 3-4k def fortitude for example


Yeah I agree with you. Even back when I first made the guide that wouldn’t have been aloud in most tournies. I still thought I’d mention it though as a fun alternative to mess around with though for the times it is aloud.

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1. If you care about e peen then get the 25%. Their is no difference other than cost and chance to caste on a spell that does no damage.

2. Cham shako din can still be viable. This is a great budget zealer, who wants to get into the scene. It also makes for a great gear swap from older builds like Levi, or valor. Will the shako din win tournaments? Those days are long gone, but I would say it is still a viable gear option for the price conscious paladin.

I would vary from Brad here on the inventory on this build. This is a common gear swap from Levi, and I would change the inventory. Most zealers. Now have atleast 1 SC with fire damage. 3 max/xx fire/ 20
Also for this build to be viable I would also recommend keeping 10x 36, 20s on hand for swaps. The reason for this is that most use a pally viso, . This can bump the ar up nicely to still compete vs viso. Another old school trick is to keep a few pcomb lifers as another inventory swap


Yeah shako setup is at a disadvantage against vis setups but still a viable setup as you said. What’s the benefit of a Fire dmg sc exactly? Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t see one charm as causing fhr animation in conc/furies and it wouldn’t effect zeal. Assuming that’s the reason anyway?

This post was edited by dark-soul on Feb 8 2020 07:48pm
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Yeah I agree with you. Even back when I first made the guide that wouldn’t have been aloud in most tournies.


wow just realized that your original post was 11 years ago, good job here.
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Quote (PKSubban @ Feb 8 2020 08:48pm)
wow just realized that your original post was 11 years ago, good job here.



:hug: thank you!
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Feb 9 2020 10:24am
Quote (dark-soul @ Feb 8 2020 08:43pm)
Yeah I agree with you. Even back when I first made the guide that wouldn’t have been aloud in most tournies. I still thought I’d mention it though as a fun alternative to mess around with though for the times it is aloud.



Yeah shako setup is at a disadvantage against vis setups but still a viable setup as you said. What’s the benefit of a Fire dmg sc exactly? Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t see one charm as causing fhr animation in conc/furies and it wouldn’t effect zeal. Assuming that’s the reason anyway?


Yeah, it actually does cause the fhr animation, even in zeal, but only on the 1st hit. Since the typically shaft/viso pally has basically 0 fhr

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Quote (donfromtgood @ Feb 9 2020 11:24am)
Yeah, it actually does cause the fhr animation, even in zeal, but only on the 1st hit. Since the typically shaft/viso pally has basically 0 fhr


Have you tested that recently though? I don’t think it causes a stun like it used to a long time ago

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Feb 9 2020 02:32pm
Fire scs dont stun
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Quote (Haseo @ Feb 9 2020 12:32pm)
Fire scs dont stun


it does look like it has changed and just applies elemental dmg instead of stun. I am interested in testing this out, have fools with fire dmg and a non fire dmg
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Quote (dark-soul @ Feb 9 2020 12:58pm)
Have you tested that recently though? I don’t think it causes a stun like it used to a long time ago


It use to stun. Aparantly d2 even fixed Anya glitch... So i could be wrong on the sc.
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