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Aug 2 2015 04:17pm
Quote (hengster @ Aug 2 2015 05:31am)
RIP my 08 amazon with all the godlies :(

anyway, been dueling non-tap in PN which nowadays has more conc and fury than zeal.
not bad though i hope for more tap duels, that's the whole point of the high price of 2os pally viso diadems!

regarding previous question on FHR noted and will experiment a bit to confirm it, with first breakpoint 7% (dungos 10%) and second breakpoint 15% (3max/20ar/5%fhr sc).

another question on maxing life for zealots. it seems like a given to max life as much as possible, but how much is the trade-off between strength (damage), dexterity (attack rating) and vitality (life) really worth?
what's the real value of each stat point type, and ideal case for zeal v zeal?
asking a hard to answer question, but wonder if someone did any in-depth analysis on it.
i know you always recommend just enough str for gear and dex for max block, but is there any other better way?

would be nice to know the ideal stat way, instead of just going for max vita like all other d2 chars.


I've experimented with the fhr breakpoints in the past, couldn't tell a difference. A good connection is more important imho. As for stats, I had mh back when I ran the original tourneys and could see everyone's stats. There was no clear advantage as long as your equipment matched your build.
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Aug 2 2015 09:50pm
Quote (hengster @ Aug 2 2015 04:31am)
RIP my 08 amazon with all the godlies :(

anyway, been dueling non-tap in PN which nowadays has more conc and fury than zeal.
not bad though i hope for more tap duels, that's the whole point of the high price of 2os pally viso diadems!

regarding previous question on FHR noted and will experiment a bit to confirm it, with first breakpoint 7% (dungos 10%) and second breakpoint 15% (3max/20ar/5%fhr sc).

another question on maxing life for zealots. it seems like a given to max life as much as possible, but how much is the trade-off between strength (damage), dexterity (attack rating) and vitality (life) really worth?
what's the real value of each stat point type, and ideal case for zeal v zeal?
asking a hard to answer question, but wonder if someone did any in-depth analysis on it.
i know you always recommend just enough str for gear and dex for max block, but is there any other better way?

would be nice to know the ideal stat way, instead of just going for max vita like all other d2 chars.


I know a few guys who always overdexxed quite a bit for the ar boost. But these days I don't think it's necessary since with visionary + angelics you're already at around 27k or so which is more than enough imo. It's sort of lame to always suggest just enough str/dex to wear your gear and maintain mb but I think it's best bet with the current vis setups. Nothings set in stone and there are others who probably do over str for more dmg or over dex for higher ar but I just personally shoot for maximizing vit these days.
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Aug 3 2015 07:16pm
I never did like dex builds. Anyhoo, are there any tourneys anymore? The guys in pn games told me that's the only time anyone uses exile these days.
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Aug 3 2015 07:45pm
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I never did like dex builds. Anyhoo, are there any tourneys anymore? The guys in pn games told me that's the only time anyone uses exile these days.


It's usually a little slow during summer

I'm going to start hosting our guild tourneys again

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Aug 3 2015 09:58pm
Quote (Chased @ Aug 3 2015 07:16pm)
I never did like dex builds. Anyhoo, are there any tourneys anymore? The guys in pn games told me that's the only time anyone uses exile these days.


See if they'll do tap for a bit. They usually do when I mention it since I get bored doing non tap. :)

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Aug 3 2015 10:23pm
Quote (hengster @ Aug 2 2015 02:31am)
RIP my 08 amazon with all the godlies :(

anyway, been dueling non-tap in PN which nowadays has more conc and fury than zeal.
not bad though i hope for more tap duels, that's the whole point of the high price of 2os pally viso diadems!

regarding previous question on FHR noted and will experiment a bit to confirm it, with first breakpoint 7% (dungos 10%) and second breakpoint 15% (3max/20ar/5%fhr sc).

another question on maxing life for zealots. it seems like a given to max life as much as possible, but how much is the trade-off between strength (damage), dexterity (attack rating) and vitality (life) really worth?
what's the real value of each stat point type, and ideal case for zeal v zeal?
asking a hard to answer question, but wonder if someone did any in-depth analysis on it.
i know you always recommend just enough str for gear and dex for max block, but is there any other better way?

would be nice to know the ideal stat way, instead of just going for max vita like all other d2 chars.


it's generally not worth it to stack str or dex beyond your gear requirements.

+1 dex = +5 attack rating
+1 str = 1% enhanced damage (1.1% if you are using certain mallets.)
+1 vit = 3 life

Generally vit is always the best choice.

That being said, it's good to keep in mind that str and dex contribute those bonuses.

Non tap SA prud is pretty much the best armor all day. and your 222 str is 222% enhanced damage, don't forget.
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Aug 4 2015 05:40am
Quote (Chased @ Aug 3 2015 06:17am)
I've experimented with the fhr breakpoints in the past, couldn't tell a difference. A good connection is more important imho. As for stats, I had mh back when I ran the original tourneys and could see everyone's stats. There was no clear advantage as long as your equipment matched your build.


Quote (dark-soul @ Aug 3 2015 11:50am)
I know a few guys who always overdexxed quite a bit for the ar boost. But these days I don't think it's necessary since with visionary + angelics you're already at around 27k or so which is more than enough imo. It's sort of lame to always suggest just enough str/dex to wear your gear and maintain mb but I think it's best bet with the current vis setups. Nothings set in stone and there are others who probably do over str for more dmg or over dex for higher ar but I just personally shoot for maximizing vit these days.


Quote (ZeaLORDeaL @ Aug 4 2015 12:23pm)
it's generally not worth it to stack str or dex beyond your gear requirements.

+1 dex = +5 attack rating
+1 str = 1% enhanced damage (1.1% if you are using certain mallets.)
+1 vit = 3 life

Generally vit is always the best choice.

That being said, it's good to keep in mind that str and dex contribute those bonuses.

Non tap SA prud is pretty much the best armor all day. and your 222 str is 222% enhanced damage, don't forget.


thank you all for the valuable input! :smile:
let me experiment a bit for some non-max-vita builds... to match my final gears setup.

i really wished they went ahead with the patch that was supposed to combine all 8 characters' stashes together into tabs that be accessed on any of the 8 chars, would make so much more flexibility in gearing.
but then again, tourney would need to set strict gear swap time limit otherwise we would wait while others take their time choosing...
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Aug 6 2015 03:48pm
Quote (ZeaLORDeaL @ Aug 3 2015 11:23pm)
it's generally not worth it to stack str or dex beyond your gear requirements.

+1 dex = +5 attack rating
+1 str = 1% enhanced damage (1.1% if you are using certain mallets.)
+1 vit = 3 life

Generally vit is always the best choice.

That being said, it's good to keep in mind that str and dex contribute those bonuses.

Non tap SA prud is pretty much the best armor all day. and your 222 str is 222% enhanced damage, don't forget.

Why would prudence be better than fort? NM, just saw that fort and stone are banned on the ladder. Stupid rule.

This post was edited by Chased on Aug 6 2015 03:52pm
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Aug 6 2015 03:55pm
Quote (Chased @ Aug 6 2015 05:48pm)
Why would prudence be better than fort? NM, just saw that fort and stone are banned on the ladder. Stupid rule.


They aren't banned, they are legal.

They just can't be ethereal because they don't have rep mod
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