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May 12 2013 11:22am
Quote (Jolteown @ May 11 2013 08:12pm)
No, I haven't. Testing average damage output of a GMB bow is not really my idea of an evening well spent, due to the huge damage variance the bow has (which is most likely the source of his confusion). I would at least be open to the idea of producing some results of my own if the initial findings of TSBoyer's testing (as Jeebus so kindfully copypasta'd for me) were valid. He's comparing two entirely different Amazons, meaning any amount of unconsidered variables could come into play. For me to consider taking his test seriously, the Amazons would have to be identical apart from the choice of bow and armour (the variables he pointed out that were effecting his Amazon's damage output in a positive manner).

Anyway, I would like to say that I do appreciate where you are coming from when you say that giving the benefit of the doubt can lead to some surprising conclusions, but please consider how you would feel if someone who has a reputation of pulling things out of his ass asks you to test an illogical theory of his.  There is "reserving judgement" and then there is using past experiences to appropriately judge when someone is merely wasting your time, afaik even TSBoyer doesn't believe this crap anymore.


(A) You really are dense aren't you? I never said that a Diamond Bow is a stronger bow than a GMB. I said that a Diamond Bow allows for a better all around ZvA setup, than a GMB.
If you are going to target me and my material as the object of your d2jsp fetish, please get topical
--> Watch the youtube video, read the guide and make sure you know what you're even arguing about before posting because this isn't even about (which bow is better)
--> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pb_PR_G6R0

(B) You just stated in the above quote, that you have never ran any testing on Diamond Setup vs. GMB Setup
Yet you flame as if you knew your facts
~ But it's all ok! I already did the tests for you

(C) The testing I've ran has been nothing but thorough, with plenty of evident logic, diagrams and all forms of blue printing to support *why Diamond*
Flaming me with your opinions (even ignorant ones) is one thing
But telling people that my information is incorrect, needs to stop
Because anything posted in Habakkuk's Bow & Fury ZvA Guide v1.13d and all of my videos, is all hard math, 14 years of pvp experience and true

Honestly it's getting to a point where I could say *Shako is green* and these guys would show up with something to flame me on

This post was edited by TSBoyer on May 12 2013 11:22am
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May 12 2013 12:08pm
Quote (TSBoyer @ May 12 2013 06:22pm)
Honestly it's getting to a point where I could say *Shako is green* and these guys would show up with something to flame me on


http://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/elite/helms.shtml

Looks like shako is brown to me.
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May 12 2013 12:09pm
Quote (TSBoyer @ May 12 2013 10:22am)
(A) You really are dense aren't you? I never said that a Diamond Bow is a stronger bow than a GMB. I said that a Diamond Bow allows for a better all around ZvA setup, than a GMB.
If you are going to target me and my material as the object of your d2jsp fetish, please get topical
--> Watch the youtube video, read the guide and make sure you know what you're even arguing about before posting because this isn't even about (which bow is better)
--> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pb%5FPR%5FG6R0

(B) You just stated in the above quote, that you have never ran any testing on Diamond Setup vs. GMB Setup
Yet you flame as if you knew your facts
~ But it's all ok! I already did the tests for you

(C) The testing I've ran has been nothing but thorough, with plenty of evident logic, diagrams and all forms of blue printing to support *why Diamond*
Flaming me with your opinions (even ignorant ones) is one thing
But telling people that my information is incorrect, needs to stop
Because anything posted in Habakkuk's Bow & Fury ZvA Guide v1.13d and all of my videos, is all hard math, 14 years of pvp experience and true

Honestly it's getting to a point where I could say *Shako is green* and these guys would show up with something to flame me on


Shako is brown when worn kthnx.
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May 12 2013 12:09pm
[QUOTE=TSBoyer,May 12 2013 11:22am]14 years of pvp experience /QUOTE]

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May 12 2013 12:11pm
Quote (TSBoyer @ May 12 2013 06:22pm)
Honestly it's getting to a point where I could say *Shako is green* and these guys would show up with something to flame me on


I guess on the plus side.. you were right about this :-)
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May 12 2013 12:46pm
Quote (TSBoyer @ 12 May 2013 18:22)
(A) You really are dense aren't you? I never said that a Diamond Bow is a stronger bow than a GMB.


Haha, I can't really get over how ironic this statement is. Read my post, I'm not even talking about Diamond Bow vs GMB.

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If you are going to target me and my material as the object of your d2jsp fetish, please get topical
--> Watch the youtube video, read the guide and make sure you know what you're even arguing about before posting because this isn't even about (which bow is better)


Maybe you should have taken your own advice before suggesting the use of a 4 Sol shield because you thought that pdr applied after dr% (prime example of "making sure you know what you are arguing about"), or writing half the shit that appears in your guide. "BvCers are more dangerous to Amazons than BvA's with shields, due to dual wielding and it's fast consequative attacks" hahahahahaha.

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Okay, so the link doesn't even work... but I can already tell which video this is. What has this got to do with the defense "test" you ran?

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(B) You just stated in the above quote, that you have never ran any testing on Diamond Setup vs. GMB Setup
Yet you flame as if you knew your facts
~ But it's all ok! I already did the tests for you


Man... please re-read my post LMAO. I have tried out dbow in the past, I've just never tested your claim that the defense rating effects your damage rolls.

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(C) The testing I've ran has been nothing but thorough, with plenty of evident logic, diagrams and all forms of blue printing to support *why Diamond*


The test that I was talking about (defense rating effecting damage rolls) is not a valid test because you don't even use otherwise-identical builds. Factors have to be kept consistent outside of the ones that you are changing. But if you want, I can go through reasons why GMB>Diamond (even though it's not even what I was talking about...).

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Flaming me with your opinions (even ignorant ones) is one thing
But telling people that my information is incorrect, needs to stop


That's because your information is incorrect.

BvCers are more dangerous to Amazons than BvA's with shields, due to dual wielding and it's fast consequative attacks
BvCers are more dangerous to Amazons than BvA's with shields, due to dual wielding and it's fast consequative attacks
BvCers are more dangerous to Amazons than BvA's with shields, due to dual wielding and it's fast consequative attacks

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Because anything posted in Habakkuk's Bow & Fury ZvA Guide v1.13d and all of my videos, is all hard math, 14 years of pvp experience and true


You have 14 years of PvP experience and yet you're still stuck trying to Jab Trappers like an idiot. Yeah, okay. Your "experience" is never going to be valid in my eyes, unless you beat me.

This post was edited by Jolteown on May 12 2013 12:58pm
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May 12 2013 01:22pm
Quote (TSBoyer @ May 12 2013 06:22pm)
You really are dense aren't you? I never said that a Diamond Bow is a stronger bow than a GMB. I said that a Diamond Bow allows for a better all around ZvA setup, than a GMB.


Never is a long time..

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=55078725&f=87

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Diamond Faith = Best ZvA Bow
Diamond Faith has very low stat reqs, which allows you to dump more points into vitality.
It has comparable average damage to a Grand Matron Bow and requires only 65% IAS to achieve 7fpa.
The low requirement on IAS makes it very easy to swap gear and maintain max 7fpa.
Diamond Bow also has the highest minimum damage of any bow. This is important because:
High defense value on an opponent will make you hit your minimum damage more often.
So in most cases, Diamond Bows actually hit harder than GMBs because a Diamond Bow
has extremely high minimum damage and simply cannot hit low damage at all
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This post was edited by Jeebus666 on May 12 2013 01:26pm
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May 12 2013 01:34pm
poor TSBoyer
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May 12 2013 03:09pm
Not to mention he thinks WSGing has no effect on desynch unless you have FRW differences between weapon slots:

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WSGing can help with desynch but it's entirely dependant upon what you are flashing with your WSG
If you wear Ethereal Titans/Stormshield rather than Rare Matriarchal/Stormshield
This WSG will be flashing and changing your FRW everytime you WSG, as well as flash a +50 STR bonus on STR glitched gear
This does all sort of things to confuse the server as how to display your character client-side to your opponents
If you were a high STR zon for whatever reason (who is not STR glitched) and wearing Javas with no FRW (Rare Matriarchal)
WSGing will do nothing to help your desynching


In my experience, WSG definitely appears to have an effect on desynch, regardless of what weapon swap you're using.
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May 12 2013 03:43pm
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