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#141
Jul 3 2006 10:14pm
Quote (MenzoRLY @ Tue, Jul 4 2006, 12:01am)
botd does indeed hit more than grief


not a 34+ ias griefz in ww
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#142
Jul 3 2006 10:16pm
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Quote (MenzoRLY @ Tue, Jul 4 2006, 12:01am)
botd does indeed hit more than grief


not a 34+ ias griefz in ww


yes it does
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#143
Jul 3 2006 10:31pm
Quote (MenzoRLY @ Tue, Jul 4 2006, 12:16am)
Quote (WhiteLightning32 @ Tue, Jul 4 2006, 04:14am)
Quote (MenzoRLY @ Tue, Jul 4 2006, 12:01am)
botd does indeed hit more than grief


not a 34+ ias griefz in ww


yes it does


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#144
Jul 3 2006 10:35pm
Quote (WhiteLightning32 @ Tue, Jul 4 2006, 04:31am)
Quote (MenzoRLY @ Tue, Jul 4 2006, 12:16am)
Quote (WhiteLightning32 @ Tue, Jul 4 2006, 04:14am)
Quote (MenzoRLY @ Tue, Jul 4 2006, 12:01am)
botd does indeed hit more than grief


not a 34+ ias griefz in ww


yes it does


negatory


the fact is menzo's barb did more damage then any bvc ever made, he used a very unique setup and outanked es sorcs/block druids like it was nothing. mike the best bvb barb on east used botd bvb, and we tested it with many different setups including beast/shield, vs no def, and stack def chars with WW and zerk. in fact the only time he lost was using an angelic + grief setup right before he stole us
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#145
Jul 3 2006 11:02pm
Quote (marvel. @ Tue, Jul 4 2006, 12:35am)
Quote (WhiteLightning32 @ Tue, Jul 4 2006, 04:31am)
Quote (MenzoRLY @ Tue, Jul 4 2006, 12:16am)
Quote (WhiteLightning32 @ Tue, Jul 4 2006, 04:14am)
Quote (MenzoRLY @ Tue, Jul 4 2006, 12:01am)
botd does indeed hit more than grief


not a 34+ ias griefz in ww


yes it does


negatory


the fact is menzo's barb did more damage then any bvc ever made, he used a very unique setup and outanked es sorcs/block druids like it was nothing. mike the best bvb barb on east used botd bvb, and we tested it with many different setups including beast/shield, vs no def, and stack def chars with WW and zerk. in fact the only time he lost was using an angelic + grief setup right before he stole us


yea but can you explain why it hits more?is it because of some botd bug?or probably u used grief with <34ias?or is there some unknown ias breakpoint that can only be reached with botd?

This post was edited by Bes on Jul 3 2006 11:03pm
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#146
Jul 4 2006 12:22am
Quote (MenzoRLY @ Tue, Jul 4 2006, 04:16am)
Quote (WhiteLightning32 @ Tue, Jul 4 2006, 04:14am)
Quote (MenzoRLY @ Tue, Jul 4 2006, 12:01am)
botd does indeed hit more than grief


not a 34+ ias griefz in ww


yes it does

im sorry to say it onemore time but game is based on math ,
would you mind showing us some solid proof that botd hits more than grief ,assuming grief reaches the last ww break point, other than the statement
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botd does indeed hit more than grief


This post was edited by mainaman on Jul 4 2006 12:22am
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#147
Jul 4 2006 12:40am
Quote (mainaman @ Tue, Jul 4 2006, 02:22am)
Quote (MenzoRLY @ Tue, Jul 4 2006, 04:16am)
Quote (WhiteLightning32 @ Tue, Jul 4 2006, 04:14am)
Quote (MenzoRLY @ Tue, Jul 4 2006, 12:01am)
botd does indeed hit more than grief


not a 34+ ias griefz in ww


yes it does

im sorry to say it onemore time but game is based on math ,
would you mind showing us some solid proof that botd hits more than grief ,assuming grief reaches the last ww break point, other than the statement
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botd does indeed hit more than grief


ofc he cant or he would have already lol, he can only say: this guy xxx used botd and was best bvc on east blah blah just like here
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the fact is menzo's barb did more damage then any bvc ever made

lmao...do you know every bvc ever made on d2?ofc you dont which makes your statement ridiculous
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#148
Jul 4 2006 04:16am
fuck nice barb expert wink.gif ohmy.gif !!!

very nice & complete guide, although barb isn't my char, but it's sad that such a good player stops!
anyway this last gift is a big gift, coz this guide will help many people who still got some questions or need help with their barbies!
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#149
Jul 4 2006 08:04am
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Quote (luis19 @ Wed, Jun 28 2006, 04:49pm)
marvel it seems like you havent tested it in conditions where block/lvl/def woudlnt affect the number of hits as i said.
just because something seems it does something doesn't make it fact.
observations are not always fact. the fact is the game runs on simple math mostly. WW is 4 frames and therefore on any given ww passthrough (on average) you get 3 hits or 5 hitchecks (ww hits: 1st wep, 1+2nd wep, 1+2nd wep, hence 5 hitchecks).

so because u used both botd and grief that means you have tested them and i havent?
I used botd a long time before grief came out too.

First barb to use dual wield all realms? you realize how you have no proof of this nor could you prove it if you wanted to, unless you talked to ever single barb player to ever play diablo.

my barb name was NuB-WhiRL and FuRy LND, i used botd zerk before everyone, i used beast way before everyone. the fact is months after i used botd+beast people continued to use 160 cr shields/ss and 2 hand BOTD CBS. need some examples? early 1.1 bvcs, Juggernaut, Tyrantoftheast. the fact is i was first botd/beast barb, name one before me, please? 99% of early barbs, even untill ladder reset, used max block setup. the first bvc outside me i remeber going pure vita was angel.


Wrong, unless NuB-Dragon was made before Baby made CuTe-BoY because I always saw angel with a shield on until after Rob made his ww barb
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#150
Jul 4 2006 08:25am
marvel how can u say you were the first dual wield barb on all realms. you cant. maybe you were the first dual wield barb in the circle of people you know on east, but thats it.

mcm has tested it, and grief hits the same amount as botd as the ww breakpoint is 34%ias. how could more ias help if the final breakpoint is 34ias? so who's talking out of their ass?

if you mean by testing you have used both botd and grief bvd and bvz then you are mistaken. i have used both botd and grief. you make it seem like you were using dual wield years before i was. I started barbs beging of .1 and used dual wield within the first 3 weeks or so; botd+famine and botd+fury then eventually botd+beast when i could afford to trade for one. so at best you were a couple of weeks ahead of me aided by superior funds to make your chars, i didnt have a godly acct till mid .1.

This post was edited by luis19 on Jul 4 2006 08:27am
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