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Apr 28 2022 12:54pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 28 2022 06:00am)
to put numbers to it
say you have a very barebones build of;

>arreats (could/should be crown of thieves, but for damage comparison lets be more favorable)
>highlords
>wealth
>laying of hands
>2x dwarf star
>hsarus belt (upgrade)
>hsarus boots
>2x ali baba on swap
barb torch, but no anni (I'm speculating on availability)
with 1 point ww / 1 zerk and 20 mastery, so you can max bo/find item/find potion and get 1 pointers. you could skip bo for more ww, though it won't help zerk.
that all winds up with +530% ed from skills/items, then whatever strength, and ~47% ds/cs
assuming average damage rolls, upped gavel has ~261 base damage and 253 str req with 1.1x scaling but hits at a pathetic 10 fpa, oath in any of the ~48-49.5 bases like ettin/cs/small crescent can be 278 damage and +75% global ed and hits at 2 fpa, and grief pb hits 437 with 20% ds and ~170%+ global ed.
oath should have no problems hitting 5-6x the dps of gavel in that setup, BUT the big issue is that you lose amp damage or ali babas. And amp makes you deal 3x the damage, so the dps comparison isn't that far off. Might be 2x the dps for oath ww in that setup, and 1/3 the dps for your merc


You can reasonably get reaper setup on merc in early ladder (reaper non eth, guardian, kira) that lowers the need of amp (just zerk the immunes) and no longer have to visit the vendor.
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Apr 28 2022 02:49pm
Quote (Spartacus160 @ Apr 28 2022 04:13am)
Btw would ik ww barb work too ?

Good idea with reaper :thumbsup:


I did a hybrid with the gavel demon and WW build that was able to farm anywhere as well as quickly do trav....I had 2 sets of gear though. I'm thinking with the buffs to singing barbs in 2.4 whirlwind hybrid wouldn't be as good as just going the singing/horking route. I could be wrong, I'm no Exotec though
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Apr 30 2022 10:05pm
Anyone want to buy 29% enhanced dmg, +7str, 24% extra gold jewel on ladder?

This post was edited by martyadamsmith on Apr 30 2022 10:08pm
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May 2 2022 07:32pm
Find Item now has a synergy with Find Potion, increasing 1% per level. I've been interested in trying this build since I've seen it, now seems like the perfect time. Would appreciate an update on how you think skill layout should be! :love:
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Quote (Lexibug @ 2 May 2022 21:32)
Find Item now has a synergy with Find Potion, increasing 1% per level. I've been interested in trying this build since I've seen it, now seems like the perfect time. Would appreciate an update on how you think skill layout should be! :love:


Not much of a difference if you're going full Gavel

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May 4 2022 09:35pm
Main difference with act 5 mercs seems to be spread damage versus focused burst damage.
  • frenzy multiattack hits diff. adjacent enemies
  • taunt tends to result in ball of enemies around merc (hence 6s frenzy is mostly attack buff not movement buff)
  • A5 range 2 vs A2's 4 means 1 less subtile of reach (bad for chasing)
  • fast light attacks don't trigger hit recovery (bad for chasing)
  • can't use cold damage since 20% less corpses (bad for chasing) limiting sword options


So if you telestomp a group with Emilio he'll kill them as fast as an equivalent-damage Wulfgar. But Emilio will kill them one at a time, while Wulfgar will keep them alive and low HP until the end. That's more time and monsters you have to keep controlled and if you lose control and they start running around and healing each other...
If you're playing around amping a cluster and cleaning it up before it wears off or you lose control, A2 >>> A5 mechanically. A5 requires a different playstyle.

There is some good news:
  • regen is strong if you can avoid per-frame tick damage
  • built-in A5 poison res and antidotes help
  • PDR/MDR and pdr overflow bug might help (untested)
  • regen should scale with battle orders
  • ironskin and Taunt damage reduction means less hit recovery animations
  • can drop in Lawbringer offhand vs Physical Immune undead, if speedup is worth losing corpses
Greatly reduced FHR / lifeleech requirements open up more interesting gearing options than A2 mercs have. I'm also cautiously optimistic about A5 being better around Grim Ward, though probably not in Travincal.

This post was edited by Zeiris on May 4 2022 09:37pm
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May 6 2022 11:14pm
Quote (Vessy123 @ Apr 28 2022 12:54pm)
You can reasonably get reaper setup on merc in early ladder (reaper non eth, guardian, kira) that lowers the need of amp (just zerk the immunes) and no longer have to visit the vendor.



Reaper has cold dmg that would destroy corpses
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May 7 2022 10:36am
Any alterations you'd make for a HC gf barb?
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May 7 2022 11:10am
Quote (michaelmarkham @ May 6 2022 10:14pm)
Reaper has cold dmg that would destroy corpses



The inc in kill speed negates any loss in corpses, especially without any game timeouts
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May 7 2022 11:58am
Quote (Vessy123 @ 7 May 2022 13:10)
The inc in kill speed negates any loss in corpses, especially without any game timeouts


very early ladder, maybe
later, not so much.
i'd rather use non-eth Arioc's with Gavel

reaper is a good "fire and forget" weapon, but it's inefficient
each corpse represents a few seconds per run once you boil it down, and with the buff to Find Item's success rate through synergy, on p1 you get more than 2/3rds of your loot from the corpses, not the kills
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