Lol melee vs Osama

Misunderstanding what each other are saying completely. The game rounds hitchecks. 49.5% chance to hit doesn't exist, it gets rounded, then you can calculate for block. So, yes, 12.5% chance to hit is possible if that's what we are calculating for.

Okay thats all well and good but explain this:





That contradicts what you just said, does it not?

Also:
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=32187727&f=87&p=450977077

Where you question the emperor's socketing - when you seem to round one value up and one down ( generally d2 uses the floor function anyway, so even if rounding existed for this, you'd be doing it wrong ) to get both at 8% when you shouldn't be rounding either???

This post was edited by Jeebus666 on Aug 31 2013 11:03am

1) I just posted numbers from a calc. I suppose it rounds.

2) Doesn't contradict. I am talking about hit checks in the game, where fractional percentages don't exist.

3) In the game itself, 100 swings or less is what you're going to experience in a zeal vs zeal. So 31 swings out of 100 or 34 swings out of 100 roll a chance to hit in the posted example. But then you have to factor block, and you can't land partial hits in this game, right? So I guess what you're saying is that you will either hit 7 or 8 times, and not 8 either way?

First two points I'm not sure what your refering too so I cant really respond.

3rd point is basically where your getting confused. You cant get " fractional " hits, but that is irrelevent.

To make it more obvious, lets say u hit 1 in 100 times on setup A and 5 in 100 times on setup B. Maybe you only land 4 more hits per 100 swings in setup but.. setup B is MUCH better. This is because you hit 5 TIMES AS MUCH.

Now the difference between 8.5% ultimate chance to hit and 7.75% ultimate chance to hit isn't anything to do with fractional hits. A % change calculation tells you that you will hit 9.68% more with the first setup ( 0.75 / 7.75 x 100 ).

To say that there is a difference less than 1% and therefore these is no difference between the setups is just plain wrong.

Remember these are just averages.. it doesn't mean that in 100 hits you WILL hit 7 or 8 times, its just a probability. If you have a probability of 0.085 of landing a hit, you model 100 hits as a Binomial ( 100,0.085 ) to find out the probability of landing any number of hits between 1 and 100.

This post was edited by Jeebus666 on Aug 31 2013 02:39pm

So the thing you have to determine is if hitting 9.68% more often is better than doing 20% more average damage.

Exactly but its not " 20% more damage ". Its 20% more deadly strike.

This is easy to do, but you need to know how much deadly strike you initially have.

As an example if you already have 50% deadly strike ( so you get 70% by adding a Lo ). Then, on average, you will do 1.7/1.5 = 1.13 times more damage by adding 20% DS.

Its pretty obvious that the more DS you already have, you'll recieve less of an effect on " average " damage by adding a Lo.

Its a bit more complicated than that in reality, as you have to consider variance, but I'm keeping it simple.

This post was edited by Jeebus666 on Aug 31 2013 03:03pm

Question; I keep being told HoZ for higher HS > spirit for higher life (I'd assume comes out at around 100 more life) for bo/HS on zealots. Is it purely preference or will the defense boost be noteworthy while the life may me insignificant in this context?

spirit gives 300 life, hoz gives.. 2-3k def.

ofc hoz is higher hs > spirit

This post was edited by Neko on Sep 1 2013 11:27am

i like this part

anyway i will check this def frome hoz
I thing is better option then keep some more life
just started zvz