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#13621
Aug 25 2013 12:05am
Quote (chargersav21 @ Aug 24 2013 07:11pm)
question- why do you prefer edc over ebotdz in certain builds and ebotdz over edc in others? what are the positives and negatives to each one?


Edc has better stats then ebotdz

positives of edc:

+230-280% Enhanced Damage (varies)
+40% Increased Attack Speed
-33% Target Defense
66% Deadly Strike
+6-9 Life After Each Kill (varies)

con of edc:

needs ar? lol
needs 20 more ias to use this weapon because zerkers needs 80 ias.


positives:

50% Chance To Cast Level 20 Poison Nova When You Kill An Enemy
Indestructible
+60% Increased Attack Speed
+350-400% Enhanced Damage (varies)
+200% Damage To Undead
-25% Target Defense
+50 To Attack Rating
+50 To Attack Rating Against Undead
7% Mana Stolen Per Hit
12-15% Life Stolen Per Hit (varies)
Prevent Monster Heal
+30 To All Attributes
+1 To Light Radius
Requirements -20%


negative:

No deadly strike :(
Only -25 target def
Needs A lot of ar to use this weapon.
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#13622
Aug 25 2013 12:14am
Quote (Zendraikus @ Aug 24 2013 10:16pm)
As far as I can tell, it's the ds that is the reigning factor between those builds


DS/AR Both Important.
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#13623
Aug 26 2013 01:12pm
Quote (Neko @ Aug 25 2013 01:05am)
Edc has better stats then ebotdz

positives of edc:

+230-280% Enhanced Damage (varies)
+40% Increased Attack Speed
-33% Target Defense
66% Deadly Strike
+6-9 Life After Each Kill (varies)

con of edc:

needs ar? lol
needs 20 more ias to use this weapon because zerkers needs 80 ias.


positives:

50% Chance To Cast Level 20 Poison Nova When You Kill An Enemy
Indestructible
+60% Increased Attack Speed
+350-400% Enhanced Damage (varies)
+200% Damage To Undead
-25% Target Defense
+50 To Attack Rating
+50 To Attack Rating Against Undead
7% Mana Stolen Per Hit
12-15% Life Stolen Per Hit (varies)
Prevent Monster Heal
+30 To All Attributes
+1 To Light Radius
Requirements -20%


negative:

No deadly strike :(
Only -25 target def
Needs A lot of ar to use this weapon.


Well edc does help a little bit for ar issues. From what I see edc gets rid of -16.5% of other player's base defense which helps a little bit. Lets see a pvp zealot has somewhere around 3k defense base without holy shield, defiance, and chilling armor. 3000*.165=495 defense
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#13624
Aug 26 2013 01:52pm
Quote (Mokuba @ Aug 26 2013 12:12pm)
Well edc does help a little bit for ar issues. From what I see edc gets rid of -16.5% of other player's base defense which helps a little bit. Lets see a pvp zealot has somewhere around 3k defense base without holy shield, defiance, and chilling armor. 3000*.165=495 defense


-16.5% is a lot in melee, though.. that cuts def likes nothing lol
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#13625
Aug 26 2013 06:22pm
But again your opponent loses about 500 defense if you use edc. That's what I was trying to point out the whole time. Sorry but I'm too lazy to calculate how much of a better chance that you will hit your opponent assuming you calculate the -16.5% defense. I'm guessing you get a 2-3% higher to hit. Still its a big help.
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#13626
Aug 26 2013 11:40pm
Quote (Mokuba @ Aug 26 2013 08:22pm)
But again your opponent loses about 500 defense if you use edc. That's what I was trying to point out the whole time. Sorry but I'm too lazy to calculate how much of a better chance that you will hit your opponent assuming you calculate the -16.5% defense. I'm guessing you get a 2-3% higher to hit. Still its a big help.


16.5% of 35k in nontap or 60k in tap is 5775 to 9900 defense taken away, not 500.
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#13627
Aug 27 2013 12:23am
nice
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#13628
Aug 27 2013 04:48am
Quote (inkanddagger @ Aug 27 2013 06:40am)
16.5% of 35k in nontap or 60k in tap is 5775 to 9900 defense taken away, not 500.


Really don't understand how you can understand that and still come up with quotes like this :

Quote (inkanddagger @ May 4 2013 11:27pm)
ethLo is bad socketing.

The eth doesn't even add 1% more chance to hit vs 60k def (assuming he has ~27k attack rating based on gear)


Quote (inkanddagger @ May 4 2013 11:40pm)
And if you really want to get into it, 3% extra chance to hit before blocking means 1 extra hit per 100 hits rolling (and that isn't even accounting for the fact that a hit that rolls past defense still has to contend with 75% block). Average duel is about 5 hits, so he will land one extra hit every 20 duels.

And then you add block in, and realize it's an extra hit every ∞ duels because of how this game rounds shit.


Please tell me you've realised that taking away ~7500 of your opponents defence is probably a bit better than an extra hit per infinite amount of duels.

This post was edited by Jeebus666 on Aug 27 2013 05:02am
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#13629
Aug 27 2013 09:41am
Quote (inkanddagger @ Aug 27 2013 02:40am)
16.5% of 35k in nontap or 60k in tap is 5775 to 9900 defense taken away, not 500.


This, because it removes def that could potentially have been multiplied by HS/Defiance etc
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#13630
Aug 27 2013 11:13am
Quote (Turismo @ Aug 27 2013 10:41am)
This, because it removes def that could potentially have been multiplied by HS/Defiance etc


Yes sir. People often times confuse convict -def% with -% from items. That's why I would always do eth/lo in a fools if I had a 2 soc rep fools.
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