144 base attack rating and 9 base damage may be. An extra hit in a duel makes 135 life obsolete.

9 max damage is about 150 damage after modifications, or about 13 damage after penalties. So it's not doing a whole bunch more than 40 or 50 damage over the course of a duel, but that plus ar may make a difference.

This post was edited by inkanddagger on May 27 2013 04:36pm

32020s > those. Some use a few ar/life gcs with their 32020s though which would make more of a diff than the slight ar boost from dmg/ar/life gcs.

Agreed I would take the 135 buffable life over a bit more dmg and ar any day. Still usually helps you tank another shot in ZvZ.

i like 36/20 over 3/20/20

dmg dont help much imo

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I wouldn't use full 36/20s since your dmg would be really low though.



Oh my

Strongly disagree. Depends what's weapon you are using, though.

Like what if your using Ebotdz or GG e rep cruels or cruels? Or Eheavens, E-runemaster, or e deemer?

Well I did suggest all ar/lifers for etmight setup so I guess it depends on the setup. But most of the time you'd use mostly or full 32020s. I didn't know there were any good ecruels that would be a viable alternative to edc.

This post was edited by dark-soul on May 28 2013 04:34pm

I still prefer 3/20/20's for the best balance for ZvZ. Forget about a lot of 3/20/20's and several 20/36's. I mean its not going to do you any better to increase your ar by a little bit anyways.



I agree 100%.



I would not even think about another weapon over edc for ZvZ. Of course you would strongly disagree with me and dark-soul but its mainly because you like other setups. It just hard to beat edc for a ZvZ no matter what other options you choose.

I'll strongly disagree, once again because sometimes you should put some ar/life gcs in your invo incase you need that extra ar boost vs other chars..

If you had nice e rep fools, I bet you would prefer it over edc, any day. It's not that hard to beat EDC. Yes, I love other setups because It's boring using the same people what other people used. I myself only would use edc with valordin because I love valordins a lot