Both are good, but viso/shaft tends to do better more often.

That's interesting. The extra ar, def and life seem kind of minor compared to the damage loss. But C/C does seem to get hit more often that I'd like though, so maybe this is a solution.

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Apr 18 2013 11:44pm

Shaft seems to come out on top most of the time. It makes very well rounded setups.

I find that in nontap my prudence/stormshield setup with botdz seems to do best, probably because of the defense... and I don't even have a vis helm yet, just using CoA with it lol. Bear in mind I also have a 100% perfect c/c setup. All gear perfect, lvl 99.

So I am wondering if the etemplar setup you posted earlier may be the best setup? Swap etemp for prudence maybe? Or ber'd ecara? What about berber CoA with a ber/cham eth/rep armor? That allows the etemp setup with full dr and angelics.

Just thinking out loud here... not sure if I am convinced shaft is the best way to go yet.

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Apr 19 2013 02:42am

vis/shaft always works better with everythin but coa/levi works well once awhile lol.




Botdz prud/stormshield works well vs fools users but sometimes you do need edc vs barbs though which you should get another viso for non tap.

Etemps is a good armor to replace with prud. Ber'd ecara, Absolute No. Berbercoa with ber/cham eth/rep armor? Absolute no still. Eth/rep armors works well fools setups. If your going use etemp setup, you should use..

etempts
8030 visio or 8030 coa and use ow belt lol.
cham'd ss
edc
full gelics.

This post was edited by Neko on Apr 19 2013 03:21am

on wut realm do you play on? I got a telezealer too and would be fun to do some duels (eusc)

Yeah both etmight and eprud are gg for non tap. Could go

80/30 pvis
eprud/etmight
angelics
cham ss
upd gores
rends
edc/ebotdz

lately I just go shaft/alma/cham shako though. Haven't used prud in a while. I'm also lazy when it come to switching setup to nt so id rather just swap helm and shield than entire setup

This post was edited by dark-soul on Apr 19 2013 11:41am

Just thinking numbers again. If I am building for only NT, of course I would stat to stormshield. But it's not efficient if I want to use tap and NT efficiently. Anyhow:

Shaft 2400 def, 600 def visionary cham/ber, 200ish def gloves, 765 def alma negra, 158 verds = 4123 def base

600 def visionary 80/30 , 3645 prudence, 281 rends, 519 cham stormshield, 158 verds = 5203 def base

Shaft setup has 1k lower base def, and lower damage. 75% ed on alma vs 80% on vis, 60% on rends. Also lose crushing blow. But shaft picks up 75% extra attack rating bonus from alma negra. So probably looking at 25 vs 27k attack rating.

To me, the stormshield setup is pretty obviously better for NT. But if you want to do both tap and NT, the shaft setup is more versatile.

Both with EDC of course... but I suppose you could use highlords and dual stat rings and rends with a 40 ias fools and have good attack rating and more dmg.

I can't think of any better setups, really. Berber CoA valor setups need a raven frost and have lower defense... Eth/rep armors seem overpriced and useless.

Thoughts?

I'd still stat for your tap setup and just keep nt setup in stash so you can still do tournies w/o having to token each time. Agree about eth/rep armors.

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