Blobs is a good friend of mine, and even though we've both have quit D2 long ago, we still keep in touch.
He always played barbs, and I usually played zons, and we both loved to experiment with weird ideas. Some of those ideas worked well, others didn't pan out.
I was directed to this thread by another friend who still plays, and it gave me a good laugh, to say the least.
[QUOTE]The BvC idea came out way before you probally even played. This MCM guy or w/e I have never even heard of. The first BvC builds were made in Gimmeitam. We constructed Hybrid Barbarians that could deal nearly 7k Double Throw (2x Cruel Winged Harpoons of Quickness and our Armors made us throw extremely fast) and 5.5K+ Whirl Wind. We constructed them with over 125% Run Speeds to catch sorces easily. There was no Teleportation back then so this build was the first BvC Construct and it worked extremely well vs. any caster. You and the majority of people on this forum would know nothing about this. This forum wasnt even around untill 2003. Pretty much everyone I have talked to on this forum are from 1.10 and beyond. Mana Potions will always be BM on west and to this day I do not use them on any character even though I play on East now. If you really want, I will go over every part of this build/guide and explain why it is garbage.[/QUOTE]
7k double throw? With CWHQ's? A perfect cruel of evisc has 371 max, and with 40 3/20's, that's 491. Assuming maxed mastery, and a 160/60 ias armor and 120/45 max helm (which no self-respecting barb would use as it would have left him extremely vulnerable), that adds up to about 4500 displayed damage. Or are you accounting for the crit bug?
The only reason throw barbs were good in 1.09 was because throw damage was not subject to the PvP penalty.
Also, 125% r/w is nothing. It's funny how you speak of this as if making a BvC was an epic achievement. lol. People didn't call them BvC's back then, they called them throw barbs.
Moving on to your "revisions" to the guide:
[QUOTE]Alright here it is, firsto ff everyone on East is minced-meat compared to the PvP competition on West. Some of these critiques are opinion based so it really goes by your preference and skill level. But here it is:
Why This Barbaian Guide Sucks As Much As Blobs:
Luis' BvC Guide (adaptation of Blob's guide)
Blobs sucked, so this build sucks.
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Blobs said he owned you with Charsi-bought weapons.
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20 leap (for team duels; if you plan to never team duel only put in 14-16 here then rest into shout)
If you need this to kill a sorceress or caster you need to uninstall Diablo right now and sit in a corner and give a long, hard thought about why your a failure. First off landing a Tele and playing defensivly vs. good casters will out do you leaping any day. If a caster has the right frame of FHR this will not effect them anywhere near the price of 20 Skill Points Invested.
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So basically, the barb is screwed if he's fighting a sorc with 142+ FHR. Riiight.
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STR: 46
DEX: 57
VIT: rest
ENG: 10
These stats are good for a pure BvC I suppose. But right now I have the ability on my barbarian to reach Max Blocking with a shield and if I used the 3/20/20's like this build, I would still have 6,781 Life. IMO 10/70+/40+ Are Superior for Damage and Attack Rating. You really do not need more then 6.2K Health on a barbarian. This guy claims he has 10.6k Defner, I can reach 22K+ On my barbarian so I can duel Melee characters very effectivly. Once again my design is more versitle.
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6,781 life? Exactly? Since ideal equipment is effectively impossible, what's the point of giving anything but a ballpark figure?
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PRIMARY ITAMS:
BerBer Coa
Umm, your a BvC why do you need Damage Reduction? Oh thats right, you don't. Arreats has 30 Resistances, 30% FHR and many more usefull stats compared to a CoA.
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You need DR because when fighting wind druids, 2k pvp damage is "unpleasant." Also barbs.
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Highlord Wrath
This can be useful sometimes, but I still have yet to use my Highlords over my Angelics. Unless your using a 95% Cap Deadly Strike Build, it really isnt worth it.
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Remember that 1% critical strike = 1% OVERALL damage. So 20% DS on top of 21% crit gives a 14.2% increase in OVERALL damage.
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Arachnid Mesh
You have to be joking me? You Need FCR on a barbarian? LMFAO. FCR increases the amount of time you can cast Teleportations over a period of time. That does nothing for a Barbarian because you should Teleport Once maybe twice and land a hit when your good. Dungoes Supplies DR (If you really want it) but mroe so the important stats, 40 Vitality and 10% FHR.
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So FCR increases the amount of time you can cast "Teleportations" over a period of time? That's good to know!
13 frame cast is slow, btw.
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Dracul Gloves (10% leech and 15 strenght necesary)
Garbage, Right now my Barbarian can KO nearly every Sorceress I have fought. This really will only help you probally vs. Paladins if you want to rely on Open WOunds. Otherwise, use Steelrends 20 Str 60 ED. Each point of Strength = 1% ED on a Barbarian. These gloves can produce an additional 530+ Maximum Damage for your Barbaian. You don't have to hit and run if you can KO a target. Plus Life Tap is BM and it doesnt even trigger with WW.
Grief Zerk Axe
This can be viable sometimes I suppose, but once again a eBotD can produce more damage then this. Right now my barbarian can reach a maximum output of 8,487 PURE PHYSICAL Damage (Mosto f the time I use a 7,012 Damage setup) using eBotD and Beast. I have yet to find a Barbarian do more then my Pure Damage thats not Barb vs. Barb. Everytime I fight a good caster, they always comment on how much damage I do and how hard and fast they die.
Hel'd Widowmaker
Lol, I suppose you want to do some Z vs. Z? This item will help you vs. noobs only and you wont even need it vs. them. Any good Mage, V/T Judicator Type I and II. Avenger Prismadin, Liberator, Tesladin etc. will capitalize on you and you will have limited ttime to switch. It will result in you losing more health then it is worth. True, you might land a Open Wounds hit, but once again any GOOD Caster will capitalize on you when you switch and the game can, and will lag on Secondary Weapon switch leaving you at high risk.
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Open Wounds = for the win. Do not dispute.
And displayed damage isn't always everything.
Endurack, since you've played so long, why resort to the newb terminology? In our days, paladin builds had broadly-defined names, or no name at all. If you need to follow a template for your character instead of thinking for yourself, YOU should uninstall D2. D2 is all about character experimentation, not necessarily following some LOL LOOK AT MI PWN WIF COOKY CASTUR BUILD guide posted by a 13-year old who carries 56 rejuvs at all times.
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Demon Limb
LMFAo nice Bm, learn to get AR.
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If I want to use Demon Limb, you can L2 deal with it. There are much worse ways to be BM.
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Your fighting noob Amazons abviously. My Hybrid zon can deal 5K Jab and if your a no block Barbraian (Which this build is) your gonna die in 2 Jabs. Then, as you said zons will also try to Run away and land Lightning Bolts (Not Lightning Furys noob) at you. They will also "1 shot switch you" which means hit W take a Shot and then go back to block and run. If the zon is oldschool they know to run in back and forth patters and zig zag so when a barb teles your in the wrong direction of them. Letting a zon "one shot hit you" Tactic will get you killed in less then 6 shots with the GMB Faith. My Amazon deals 6,982 damage at 74% Critical... your dead.
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Your idea of a powerful zon is one with about 1300 life, all points in passives except MS/GA, an inventory of 3/20's, an IAS armor, and negative resistance. Basically, it's one that my old zon would SM and then plague/exploding arrow to death (Oh wait, plague is BM, right? Because it kills you? SM is BM because you can't keep me more than 13.3 yards from you?
). This is not 1.09.
Oh, and when I fought Blobs, his whirls did about 800 damage WITH SHIELD UP AND FULL DR ON. That zon needs to be shooting, which means it needs to be in bow mode to pose any threat. Ironically, that is also when it is most vulnerable, and with no DR, one whirl is basically death.
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OMG your tactics get worse I am tired of typing. Some of these tips on dueling are good, but alot of them are garbage. Your sorc tactics make me laugh. I can kill a bmana sorc using full DR and mana pots in 5 WW's and I CAN TANK THEM.
So theres your evaluation.
Oh by the way, you fail Noob School 101 with a big, fat F. The next semester starts soon so please go to eBay and look for your chance to sign up.[/QUOTE]
As the guy above said, 12k blizzard at -100 res is going to deal 4000 damage. I'd like to see your special barb "tank" multiple 4k hits.
And the reason he "fails" "Noob School 101" is because he fails to be a newb.
gg.