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Quote (J03SL4YS @ Fri, Apr 10 2009, 10:22am)
how much fg you figure it'll take to make the all rounder?  very nice in depth guide, btw. gj


this is a realm dependent question
luckily for you, most realms have a rough pricecheck estimate in the stickied section at the top of the first page of that given forum
use ctrl + f to find individual items, and a calculator and you should have a good estimate

typically the gear is pretty cheap, and there are even cheaper alternatives that are outlined in my old thread: http://forums.d2jsp.org/index.php?showtopic=23904304&p=139480953

but i wrote this guide to be a concise guide, only showing optimal gear so as to reduce the huge list of gear appearance
in essence it is more important how you play the character than what gear you have (provided decent gear will be required for some situations and fast gameplay)

the merc is probably the most expensive part, but honestly, with the all rounder setup, you wont need one
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Quote (zzup @ Sun, Mar 29 2009, 03:20pm)
So I made frenzy barb & Iam not quite sure if I get the attack speed part there,

I use 2* Ba, beast & grief(32%)

base speed for BA would be 0 beast has 40% ias grief 32% so would those make them -40 & -32?

right hand primary (gloves side)
WSM = (R + L)/2

beast/grief = (-40 + -32)/2 = -36
grief/beast = (-32 + -40)/2 = -36

left hand primary (boots side)
WSM = [(R + L)/2] + L - R


beast/grief = [(-40 + -32)/2] + -32 - -40 = -28
grief/beast = [(-32 + -40)/2] + -40 - -32 = -44

now I will get 27lvl frenzy and taking grief/beast as it makes my offhand faster so I would only need 30% ias to reach the fastest possible attack speed for the mainhand (fana would give 29% so only need 1% from gear)?

would like some confirm is it realy this easy to hit the cap or am I counting something wrong?


... Wrong.

The WSM of the BAs still is the same, doesnÄt matter how much IAS they have.
And then, Fanatism is not normal IAS, it's Skill-IAS which works far better, it actually changes the BPs...
Without Fanatism, with 2 BAs, u'd need 117 IAS for Maxspeed...
Let's say, grief is in the Mainhand, it has 32 IAS, and 117 needed IAS - 32 IAS = 85 IAS still needed. The IAS of the 2. Weapon is ignored.
20 HL, 20 LoH, 15 Helmet, 10 belt, this is as much as you can allow yourself... It just won't be able without becoming senseless.

--> With Fanatism, u need only 40 IAS for Maxspeed, so 8 IAS with Grief on mainhand... HL will be enough already.
Still, there are better weaponcombinations, far better ones, Beast is just not a good weapon.
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Quote (qYp @ Sun, Feb 15 2009, 03:09pm)
gimmershred does the job good, lacerators & gimmershreds are rarer then griffons believe me happy.gif

also why do you use soe in ubers? aint dungo/ow belt better?
to be honest most ppl dont care about ias tables^^
just tell them how much ias they need for max ias, etc
a nice layout would make this guide readable :/
overall a nice detailed guide


this. The layout needs some work
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Quote (Soccergoal10 @ Tue, Apr 14 2009, 01:02pm)
this. The layout needs some work


Quote (MajinKaisa @ Sun, Feb 15 2009, 11:51am)
perhaps they are rarer, but not desired by nearly as many people, i've found gimmershreads several times, i dont think they are all that rare

soe, as mors said, +ll, dungo's is for pvp, pvmers know that soe is the way to go, you get plenty of ow from draculs
I care about ias tables/formulas, it is the fastest/most accurate/easiest way to provide the information necessary
ias on frenzy barbs is "complicated", just try and graph those functions, i dont think you can do it without a 3d plot, especially when comparing different setups, i could make another table with all the possible weapon setups for both left hand and right hand primary, but that's a complete waste and you'de still need those tables after that, you simple people would just get even more confused, if you can't do math you cant play d2 well
i know that the setups given with those pb's will hit max speed without any extra ias, as for lash and stone crusher, you may need some ias jewels i cant remember

sorry its not more readable, the information is there, im an engineering student not a liberal arts major


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hi
my frenzy baba has a raven and so i don`t need a cham in my arreats.
what shoud i put in my arreats? ber?
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Quote (bachi_s @ Wed, Apr 15 2009, 11:10am)
hi
my frenzy baba has a raven and so i don`t need a cham in my arreats.
what shoud i put in my arreats? ber?


first off, you should be using guillaumes not arreats

second off, a sol rune will give you better damage reduction than a ber rune
I would typically use the socket to get resistances tho, if you dont have max fire or lit use a ral or ort, or maybe an um if you're feeling frisky

damage jewels are nice too, not that max damage and %dmg on the same jewel dont work together.

try this damage calc to see which will work best for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9Zk6PUdXag&feature=PlayList&p=EC205FA29EA83701&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=2

but, guillaumes is what you want on your head
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Apr 15 2009 09:19am
ok, thank you
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Apr 15 2009 09:33am
Quote (bachi_s @ Wed, 15 Apr 2009, 18:10)
hi
my frenzy baba has a raven and so i don`t need a cham in my arreats.
what shoud i put in my arreats? ber?


I would prefer to cham the helm and use 2 x leach/ar/life/res rings.
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