I was thinking that was why you put ebotdz in that setup. But generally ebotdz would be nice for hlords setups if you are zealing other low defense melee like fury druids.

Only time, you "actually" need ebotdz is vs fury's thats it but in general, botdz does works well with AR/LIFE gcs and scs invo though but it works with botd/gelics with 320s also.

botd does wonders vs barbs

I liked to use botd on occasion. I would usually throw it on when edc seemed to be failing me though lol. However, in some setups it would be my main wep. Also vs furies you could just go buy a wep from charsi and win so nn being worried about them

dark-soul do you still melee?

No sir. Haven't in a few years

If I gave you a full zealer would you come back?

Good man right here

I'd feel weird taking frees lol. And that would be a lot of fg worth of gear.

doj