Quote (Azn Masta @ Fri, Sep 11 2009, 10:38am)

God you are a pain in the ass. Here are the best mods possible to spawn on the fools claw. the 3+ lightning sentry is part of the base claw and isnt counted as a "prefix mod." and look at it this way. i know that claw cant spawn but it shows which mods to "look for" so lets say you cant get one but you can get the other. that still makes it a good claw.... get it?

Prefixes:
Mechanic's - Add 1-2 Sockets
Fool's + (16.5 Per Character Level) 16.5-1633.5 To Attack Rating / + (0.5 Per Character Level) 0.5-49.5 To Maximum Damage (Based On Character Level) 
Witch-hunter's +2 to Assassin Skill Levels

or you can take out one of these mods for a high enough cruel mod (300ed)

Suffixes:
Quickness 40% Attack Speed Increase
Bear Knockback
Restoration Repair Durability

Quote (myfryhole @ Fri, Sep 11 2009, 12:15pm)

Personally I wouldn't consider sacrificing wh or fools for cruel, nor would I imply especially with fools that this is an except-able option. mech is the one I see as a substitutable mod if you have a fury which as we all know you should I'd treat the fury as your ow claw and ditch the 2os for decent ed on the fools. Thats where I stand at least and no oni this is not a criticism of you in anyway so don't get your feathers in a bunch.

Quote (Azn Masta @ Fri, 11 Sep 2009, 18:24)

i semi agree but i semi disagree as well....

while having 25% more openwounds is nice. if the damage you manage to get on the claw due to a super godly cruel mods and gets you like a 320+ damage or something claw...i say its worth giving up 1 slot for that

otherwise, yea you are right... hence why i chose to put the mech mod as the top choice instead of the cruel

Quote (Tails chao @ Fri, Sep 11 2009, 12:31pm)

I'd always choose a high ass cruel mod on a runic/feral over 2os myself, but any regular venom bleed build with 2os makes sense as well

Quote (myfryhole @ Fri, Sep 11 2009, 03:09pm)

Yeah this is really subject to opinion until we get some numbers crunched to the damage variation lets say between 25% more ow or 20% more ds vs 200%ed.
this could be an interesting test.
I tend to lean toward high ed over a second socket but would love to see the actual numbers.
It seems interms of a bleed tactic in most cases fury does the job though there are pallys and baba's who a bleed tactic could be very useful against and a fury doesnt leave enough ar for consistent application of ow.
someone who like math more then me should crunch these numbers so we can have some good data to work this comparison off of.

Quote (myfryhole @ Fri, 11 Sep 2009, 20:09)

Yeah this is really subject to opinion until we get some numbers crunched to the damage variation lets say between 25% more ow or 20% more ds vs 200%ed.
this could be an interesting test.
I tend to lean toward high ed over a second socket but would love to see the actual numbers.
It seems interms of a bleed tactic in most cases fury does the job though there are pallys and baba's who a bleed tactic could be very useful against and a fury doesnt leave enough ar for consistent application of ow.
someone who like math more then me should crunch these numbers so we can have some good data to work this comparison off of.

Quote (Tails chao @ Fri, Sep 11 2009, 02:18pm)

Something tells me that 200% ed is far superior to 20% ds, its only applied to that one claw afaik anyway >_>

25% ow, that's a legitimate debate when you need to bleed, though I'm pretty sure cruels is better vs casters since you'll have plenty of periods where you're whirling them long enough for 25 ow on 2 claws to proc open wounds.

Quote (myfryhole @ Fri, Sep 11 2009, 04:12pm)

I agree But I know oni keeps pushing the um/Lo combo which is fine so I wanted to cover all bases

Quote (Tails chao @ Fri, Sep 11 2009, 03:41pm)

Shouldn't be difficult at all to calculate it, afaik there's a calculator that does this stuff already and adds DS into the damage etc.

Let me look at it for a while bui