i find this to work better. instead of maxing cs/fury i would put some into multi, guided, crit strike.



let me know what you think about it compared to yours

just made this easy the best zon iv ever had

I assume all stats to vit with some going to str req?

not quite
you'll need a few points dexterity to get max block past the requirements for your bow, and theres no reason not to get it
but the rest of points go vitality after that.

ie at level 90 you need 203 dexterity to get maxed block with a stormshield
a GMB takes 152 dexterity and a mat takes 187 dexterity

so theres no reason not to invest those last 16-51 points into dexterity instead of vita and get max blocking.

well its virtually the same, only difference being skill distribution
and by going 1 fury 0 cs instead of 20 cs 20 fury, you're losing the entire lightning portion of your fury (maybe 1/2 of total- much more vs minion stack), and the entirety of your CS
but all you gain is maybe + 16% bow damage

IE what do you really gain from maxing guided arrow?
19 points garrow = +95% damage

but you already get +288% from fanat and around +200% from dexterity (well for GMB), and maybe a small amount from items if you had any 40/15's in there
saying we round that off at +500% damage, that means that adding another +95% damage just gives you +16% overall damage


now I just can't see that as worthwhile at all. Ok maybe you can gain +1-3% critical strike or something
but to me, how can you justify losing half your fury damage and not having a chainlockable CS, just to get a small amount of bow damage?
Its different orders of magnitude.



Yeah, you lose a big chunk of bow damage by going from "dexazon to vitazon". You lose even more bow damage from going from "fort zon to telezon". You lose even more damage by going from "pure osama to damach zon"
But what you gain is easily worth 100x that loss. Pure bowazons suck in PvP for a reason. And if we can trade away a portion of our damage output for a much better accessory attack- lets take it.
You won't kill people with 500-2500 damage arrows like you could with 1500-6500 damage arrows- that is true. But you'd still outperform that 6500 damage zon in every matchup, due to versatility, tankiness and mobility and are control.


I know some people just don't bother using CS so if you find you never do just because of your playstyle- then yeah a pure poison/bow osama is whats for you. But if you've got a good experience with chainlocking the CS pays off wonderfully, and I'd much sooner put 20 points fury on a pure dex fortitude bowazon than 20 points garrow, odd as that sounds- simply because its just that damned good.

ive played this build since a few days, but i really suck @ bvc, hamm and stormer.. poison take to much time to get them to low life.. risky to change to bow on bvc .. but its nice vs amas ..

vs hammer it should be pretty dang hard to lose since poison owns them, bowa owns them, and fury does fairly well. just keep walking south chucking javas down and shooting off a few arrows to provoke them, and teleporting out if they start to box you in
no idea what a stormer is

but bvc is a tricky matchup. It really comes down to a large part luck with dodges/blocking. Having knockback gloves on for lightning fury is almost essential depending on how the barb plays. You can punish them for every short *or* long whirlwind they take on you
too short -> get knockback fhr'd as they try to teleport, too long -> soak up a ton of fury damage
but it doesn't help very much if they DoD/Triwhirl on you, in which case you need to really play more defensive and I hate to say it, poison/l8z them and potshot arrows.
Its very nice if you can trap them on a line of arrow on their approach and then fury away as they are close to you getting knockbacked to all sides due to the chain of arrows + fury

but its still a tricky matchup and very much up to luck.

So, brainstorming session:

Where does Damach Zon get her stacked resists? Most zons have this problem, I intend to solve it even if it costs -1 java skills:

Fire/Lightning/Cold/Poison
Perfect Boots: 40/40/40/0
Perfect Rare Ring: 41/41/11/11
Torch/Anni: 40/40/40/40
Highlords: 0/35/0/0
TO Gloves: 0/0/30/0
FRW/Rez Scs: 50/50/50/50
15/15 Jool: 15/15/15/15
Stormshield: 22/47/82/22

That gives totals of:
Fire Resist: 208
Light Resist: 268
Cold Resist: 298
Poison Res: 138

This is very, very bad for public dueling imo. And thats with 100% perfect gear.
With substandard gear you usually have to shave off about 20% to each resistance- because a 41/41/11/11 ring and 40/40/40 boots are unrealistic for most people. Hence you get around:
F: 188
L: 248
C: 278
P: 118

Which is roughly what my zon has right now.

The thing is, virtually all elemental characters pierce right through this. 188 Fire resist means it only takes -14% resists from facets/etc to bring you below max resist.
Its not at all uncommon for a fire sorc to have -20% resist from 4x facets, which can really boost the damage you take, hard. So you have to really, really focus on fire resist on rare items to get your default bonus as twinked as possible
Or else you're stuck using hotspurs or infernos in every single situation, and even then the +45% might not be enough (if you had 40 boots, the +45 would only really add 5% res, not +15 max)

Lightning sorcs might not use infinity, nor will trappers- but Nova Sorcs & FOH'ers sure do. And your resists aren't close to enough to survive them without a 160% shield on
Coldwise, a normal sorc will reduce you to something like -50% resists without a 160 shield (and even then pretty damn low)
Poison wise, all poison attacks will kill you in 1 hit, hell even venom will hurt very very badly.


You will need to swap in gear for dueling all of these characters:
*FOHer
*Nova Sorc
*Orb Sorc
*Blizz Sorc
*Poison Necro
*Venom Ghosts / Hybrids
*Fire Druid
*Poison Zon (ie Damach mirror)


And thats something that has bugged me about zons in general- they just don't have access to resists like Barbs, Sins & Paladins.
Especially crippling is the matchup vs hybrids & ghosts where you will take inordinate amounts of damage without some kind of venom swap (treks + ???)
And while you can swap in a 160 shield vs a gris FOHer, what happens when you're facing multiple -res or -res and physical chars at the same time? If theres a BvC in game while you're sorbing an FOHer, gds. 8% dr and 50% block? Nty



Overall I'm leaning towards subbing out some java skillers for resist charms but its a tough call.

So I was dueling a windy today

The duel took maybe 5 minutes for the single round. Each time he lost a minion, he'd fall back 3 screens and and resummon- never once attacking with anything less than full minion stack. He really didn't want to be aggressive, and rightly so- he managed to dodge my poison clouds quite effectively and the minions soaked up my garrow and multi spam. In the end I was just throwing a fury every time he got close. The duel was very mechanical- I'd throw a java, run around it or in it, spam some multis as he was far away, and switch to java and throw a fury as he got closer. A few times I caught him, and a chain of furies shaved a little hp. But finally, after 5 minutes or so, he changed up tactics and went straight in- I lost 1/4 or so of my hp, but he lost his stack and fell back once more. But this time I had a namelock on him and he had no minions.

Bam. Chainlock tele -> charged strike. Kaboooom. He wasn't expecting that


yes sirs and madams, the damach zon reigns. There is no point to build any other kind of zon build for PvP, unless its some crappy TvT only deal. Hell, swapping on a beast -> grief I have a mean fuzzy dodger even

gds all, damach #1




also, as a note- putting your cta in your cube in inventory is not only cumbersome to duel with but also risky, since if you die with it out you need to strip charms or have your body risk popping (the cta at least)
so even though you lose 1x java skills, I'd recommend putting your cta straight in your inventory instead of using a cube. You can't carry as much, and you lose 2x inventory (-1 gc +2 scs), but that helps your resists after all
and its much much much faster to swap on/off

This post was edited by Goomshill on Jan 8 2011 12:28am

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