I think you are the original writer of this...
http://forums.d2jsp.org/index.php?showtopic=35435598&f=87

Spend 30 seconds talking to anyone who knows anything about diminishing returns and game mechanics until you understand why defence is useless up from a certain point..

Oic so every single godly zealot on D2 who maxes Defiance before Sacrifice is an idiot and you with your magnificent insight are God.

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We're not talking about 20 defence post-buffs we're talking about 700+ BASE. Go do a test with 1000 whirlwinds and see who lives longer the guy with vortex or the guy with the ST. I garuntee the Vortex will live longer 90%+ of the time. You have fun with your 80 life post-BO.

This post was edited by the_nub on Sep 22 2009 11:32am

"defense with st exile is high enough" was the point.. vortex has higher defense, but it is pointless.. kinda like having 125 % crushing blow (overkill) .. the extra defense is pointless.. this is for a smiter.. NOT FOR ZEAL VS ZEAL..

CtH % = (100 * AR / (AR + DR)) * (2 * atLvl / (atLvl + dfLvl))

AR: Attack Rating
DR: Defense Rating
atLvl: attacker level
dfLvl: defender level

Both duelers are level 94

20 000 ar and 35 000 def with vortex exile ~36,4% chance to get hit.
20 000 ar and 29 000 def with ST ~40,8% chance to get hit.

15 000 ar and 35 000 def = 30% chance to get hit.
15 000 ar and 29 000 def ~~34,1% chance to get hit

In first case, you get 12% more hits with ST.
In second case, you get ~14% more hits with ST.

80hp (which more likely wont help you survive longer) against those percents just fails...

Even if the benefit is in one duel, it's better than 80 hp...

This post was edited by Dorieus on Sep 22 2009 11:39am

fantasy numbers prove nothing..

oic I forgot that ww doesn't use ar/defence rating sry i mex meni stronk damages kay?

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Btw by your logic stacking res is pointless just because it might SOMETIMES not be 100% useful. ISO logic classes from you

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This isn't anything like 125% crushing blow it is more like the difference between 80% DS and 90% DS.

It aint fantasy numbers, it is fact Learn to live with it.

This post was edited by Dorieus on Sep 22 2009 11:40am

that's where i disagree.. it's like 100% DS vs 120% DS.. why go for more when less does the job..

yy every fuckin smiter on every realm has exactly 35k def with vort and exactly 29k with ST and every fuckin enemy they encounter - sorc or barb - has 15k ar.. ye for sure..



500 to be accurate..

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20 000 ar and 35 000 def with vortex exile ~36,4% chance to get hit.
20 000 ar and 29 000 def with ST ~40,8% chance to get hit.

15 000 ar and 35 000 def = 30% chance to get hit.
15 000 ar and 29 000 def ~~34,1% chance to get hit

In first case, you get 12% more hits with ST.
In second case, you get ~14% more hits with ST.

must be lag.. 40,8%- 36,4% = 4,4% and 34,1%-30% = 4,1%

This post was edited by DarkforceH on Sep 22 2009 11:44am