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Jun 28 2006 09:04am
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impossible. the last ww breakpiont is 34ias for zerker, aka 4 frames.
your testing was flawed because the biggest nerd in d2 history has tested it before; mcm.

try this noob:
barb with 34ias zerker with the tightest dmg range possible while doing enough damge to notice hits add hax charms for some ar maybe add some lvls.
any char lvl 1 no block no clawbloc no dodge lowest def possible. add hax charms to give it life
ww a few times and count hits, maybe add cold dmg or fire dmg to see hits better.

try again with 60ias zerker, it will be the same amount of hits.

150 ar isnt gonna make a different at all, maybe a fraction of a percent. 30 stats? pointless, the dmg on grief outweights everything on botd.

he tested it wrong then, stop commenting, you're wrong. go ask fury lnd or menzo, or come on d2 and i'll prove it to you, botd hits vs no def chars everytime 3 time on average, grief hits 2.


Ahahaha, i just tested it.

Grief hits 3 times.

Botd ba hits 3 times.

I used fire charm to see the hits.

sure you did idiot, mike was #1 on bvb ladder and won every duel except last one, when he used grief/angelic setup and he lost out of 3 best of 5 like 5-2 4-5 2-5 or somthing?

i've tested grief/botd MANY times. you havn't, if you have you would of found the same thing. i used bvcs beast+botd, in fact i was first botd+beast barb on any realm named NuB-WhiRL. people used swords months after still. the second i used grief i noticed it lacking the ability to hit past druid wolves/get hits in on pallys? don't believe me- test it yourself. i have/my friends have


The ias breaks for ww on a berserker axe are 8% and 34%, just because that 60ias botd seems faster dosent make it true :\

I put 179 fcr on my hdin and I think he teles faster! that MUST mean that everyone that knows for a fact the breakpoint is 125% is wrong!!
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Jun 28 2006 10:49am
marvel it seems like you havent tested it in conditions where block/lvl/def woudlnt affect the number of hits as i said.
just because something seems it does something doesn't make it fact.
observations are not always fact. the fact is the game runs on simple math mostly. WW is 4 frames and therefore on any given ww passthrough (on average) you get 3 hits or 5 hitchecks (ww hits: 1st wep, 1+2nd wep, 1+2nd wep, hence 5 hitchecks).

so because u used both botd and grief that means you have tested them and i havent?
I used botd a long time before grief came out too.

First barb to use dual wield all realms? you realize how you have no proof of this nor could you prove it if you wanted to, unless you talked to ever single barb player to ever play diablo.

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By the way, the last time I asked about the stats setup.

I counted it multiple times, and 63 is the best str for Realms with no str+triple resistances boots, such as EU. IIRC we have only a few duped boots that god str, and each of them has 2 resistances or just suck.

You see, 63+40+15+20=138.
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By the way, the last time I asked about the stats setup.

I counted it multiple times, and 63 is the best str for Realms with no str+triple resistances boots, such as EU. IIRC we have only a few duped boots that god str, and each of them has 2 resistances or just suck.

You see, 63+40+15+20=138.


thats sucks.
east and west have strength and resist boots. i think westhas 19 strength vs 17 on east
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By the way, the last time I asked about the stats setup.

I counted it multiple times, and 63 is the best str for Realms with no str+triple resistances boots, such as EU. IIRC we have only a few duped boots that god str, and each of them has 2 resistances or just suck.

You see, 63+40+15+20=138.


thats sucks.
east and west have strength and resist boots. i think westhas 19 strength vs 17 on east


Yes, it does suck, pretty lot. However, the str is pretty useless, unless dueling V/Ts or fohers/smiters / whatever where you switch armor and need str. The dexterity too, but it can be used to equip widowmaker in odd situations (Such as Arreat+fcr rings+dracs+TGods versus camping trappers)

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Jun 28 2006 06:22pm
grief made v/ts popular to the public and they are relatively easy to use vs a barb.
on east and west anyway.

they are beatable with engima but fort makes beating v/ts like cutting butter with a hot knife.
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Jul 1 2006 08:03pm

Luis........ this is my first barb since 1.09.

I saw your guide and Moro's posted up, and decided to make a new pvp BVC barb just for fun.

My char is at level 90.

One of the things I had forgotten about is the way barbs need so much mana when WW'ing. I can carry mana pots, but find that when duelling good fast tele'ing chars I chew through mana very quickly. Sometimes I just run out of mana.

Then i'm pretty well stuffed because I can't WW. huh.gif

Apart from this, everything is going fine. Thanks for the build, and I play west s/c non ladder...mainly BM pubby duels.

I havn't been able to get hold of a widowmaker bow as yet, but i'm working on it.. smile.gif


FT.


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marvel i suggest u stfu.

ur bragin some shit .....

luis was best bvc for a reason.

so dont think u ll convince anyone with ur theories that botd>grief

bc it just funny.

botd is NOT better for bvc.

it might be for conc barb but NOT BvC

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grief made v/ts popular to the public and they are relatively easy to use vs a barb.
on east and west anyway.

they are beatable with engima but fort makes beating v/ts like cutting butter with a hot knife.


noob dont you remember that after i remade with enigma i raped your fort strat? Fort ww's too slow and lets me land tele smites easily
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Jul 1 2006 08:31pm
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Quote (luis19 @ Thu, Jun 29 2006, 12:22am)
grief made v/ts popular to the public and they are relatively easy to use vs a barb.
on east and west anyway.

they are beatable with engima but fort makes beating v/ts like cutting butter with a hot knife.


noob dont you remember that after i remade with enigma i raped your fort strat? Fort ww's too slow and lets me land tele smites easily


lies if i put on anglelics i rape u ez ty apple pie
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