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Question were do you get mana leech from?
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I think is guide is great!

Just a question:

Could you use a 80/30 (2x 40/15%ias jewel) socketed COA in leu of Arreats? Or is Arreats just way to good to give up?

you lose 1 skill, 2 combat, 20str, 20 dex, LL, but you gain, 14% DR, 80% ED, 30% IAS (assuming you don't socket the arreats with an IAS jewel, but you would still get 15% more).
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I think is guide is great!

Just a question:

Could you use a 80/30 (2x 40/15%ias jewel) socketed COA in leu of Arreats?  Or is Arreats just way to good to give up?

you lose 1 skill, 2 combat, 20str, 20 dex, LL, but you gain, 14% DR, 80% ED, 30% IAS (assuming you don't socket the arreats with an IAS jewel, but you would still get 15% more).


Well you could but you lose the str and dex thats enables you to wear your gear.
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Well you could but you lose the str and dex thats enables you to wear your gear.


Engima should add just about all you need. Right? Especially if you get dual stat IAS gloves (like I have) instead of LOH + an FCR ring with + str? 20 dex raven.

I mean I have never made a throw barb before, so far be it for me to argue. But if I use 14 str 13 dex gloves instead of LOH, I just made up a bulk of that.

So I would only be "missing" 6 str and 7 dex from his gear...right?
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Engima should add just about all you need.  Right?  Especially if you get dual stat IAS gloves (like I have) instead of LOH + an FCR ring with + str? 20 dex raven.

I mean I have never made a throw barb before, so far be it for me to argue.  But if I use 14 str 13 dex gloves instead of LOH, I just made up a bulk of that.

So I would only be "missing" 6 str and 7 dex from his gear...right?


I made one on softcore and i ended up not being able to wear the most of the gear. Unless i added into str.
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You mean single player?

I don't see how 6 str / 7 dex really owns the build that much. I mean all you need is what...10 small charms and you can get more then that?
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Quote (Drmurder @ Wed, Sep 17 2008, 12:16pm)
Question were do you get mana leech from?


You don't (unless your rare fcr/PSN res/ar/dex ring has it). Mana Leech isn't needed to keep throwing, incredibly low mana cost.
And you have enough +skills from gear for teleporting for very few mana pots to keep you up as well.


Quote (owntsk @ Wed, Sep 17 2008, 02:05pm)
I think is guide is great!

Just a question:

Could you use a 80/30 (2x 40/15%ias jewel) socketed COA in leu of Arreats?  Or is Arreats just way to good to give up?

you lose 1 skill, 2 combat, 20str, 20 dex, LL, but you gain, 14% DR, 80% ED, 30% IAS (assuming you don't socket the arreats with an IAS jewel, but you would still get 15% more).


No. You need the +20% AR from arreats, the second 15% IAS jewel isn't needed, as you already hit the breakpoint with the first in the arreats. .He outlined jewel choices in the original post.
You also need the stats. The only thing you gain is 15% DR (23 with ber), which isn't needed. This plays very similar to a bowzon in that you avoid getting hit by physical.
You also teleport quick enough to not get hit in chaos while teleporting.


Quote (Drmurder @ Wed, Sep 17 2008, 03:43pm)
Well you could but you lose the str and dex thats enables you to wear your gear.


Correct. If you followed his guide, you don't need to add any more to str/dex to wear gear than he specified.
For example, the str from the Arreats is needed to wear the Spirit Monarch.
The dex shouldn't be needed if you have the proper charms and ring and stat points.


Quote (owntsk @ Wed, Sep 17 2008, 03:49pm)
Engima should add just about all you need.  Right?  Especially if you get dual stat IAS gloves (like I have) instead of LOH + an FCR ring with + str? 20 dex raven.

I mean I have never made a throw barb before, so far be it for me to argue.  But if I use 14 str 13 dex gloves instead of LOH, I just made up a bulk of that.

So I would only be "missing" 6 str and 7 dex from his gear...right?


Enigma adds a lot, but not *all* as previously stated. And your ring doesn't need str, it needs the mods listed more than anything else.
You lose the ED to demons, which is very helpful when Infector is Stoneskin/Phys Immune/Both. The damage is also used if solo'ing Diablo, i.e. no partner.
You also lose the +Fire Resist, needed to cap your FR out.
But if you really can't stand LoH, the gloves aren't the crux if you can cap your FR out.

Note: I originally used 20ias/dual stat/15 FR gloves until my level caught up with Enigma while baaling. I much appreciate the LoH now.

Quote (Drmurder @ Wed, Sep 17 2008, 04:13pm)
I made one on softcore and i ended up not being able to wear the most of the gear. Unless i added into str.


Then you're not high enough level for the proper bonus from enigma, have insufficient anni/torch, or just flat out didn't follow the guide.

I just built this barb, and every gear piece adds something of significance to this build.
My GC's/SC's are a good bit lower than stated and I'm lacking resists on my anni/torch. My lower AR/Damage and resists do feel it.
Also need to find a glitchable armor for my merc's CoH (Even a regular CoH makes a huge difference, but my GF's CS Zon needed it back tongue.gif )

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Sep 17 2008 06:18pm
Thanks for answering those, maori.
Pretty much completely on point.

And if you want dual stat gloves for pvping, use Ik gloves.
They are 20/20 str/dex and with the boots they give 25 ias (the 5 extra ias doesn't change your break points), along with sexy sold +def instead of +% def for great a great shout bonus.
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