no i didn't you illiterate shitface, i state that i just stomp and kill him without shield. comprende crybaby?


link to where i mentioned no bo? you obviously can't read ^^
you said that slow "doesn't help much at all" because you're a clueless idiot. barbs can't amp or tap pallies, anyone with half a brain and 2 weeks dueling experience knows why. you got neither.

let me mouth-feed this to you one last time and hope you get it. no tears please.
1. you know nothing of my realm. europe has the highest concentration of elite oldschool zon players due to a long history of various boring leagues that died and forced them to move on to open duels.
2. these players have used zons for 5+ years competing against each other and players of other classes with equal skill getting better and better all the time.
3. since said players have been playing forever they have accumulated huge amounts of pixel wealth and have the best possible gear and the knowledge to put it to good use.

these are the zons im dueling. of fucking course they use bo vs my shieldless barb, otherwise it's not even a duel. compared to your level 8x mf zon they have:
~2k more life (you didn't need bo lol)
3+ times your damage (you run with 2k physical damage and poor critical rofl)
3+ times more defense (huge impact vs barbs)
and most importantly they use jav+storm on switch, not a fucking wizard spike lmao

shiedless barb in default gear vs these zons is a fair duel. i tend to get in trouble when they smack on 08 saracens and dracs for amp+tap but clegs/doom solves that.

what did you say your 2k damage 2k life 1k def wizard spike joke zon would do? bore me to death? 2k damage man, seriously...

noone is doubting that this shit works vs inexperienced n00bs but so does foh. it's painfully obvious that you've never seen a good barb in your life.

unfortunately ur retarded. U cant tele stomp a zon with no shield rofl. U might be able to with a pub who has shitty gear + no skills. But ur not. Ur talkin to ppl who have zons who could take down the rest of bnet u fuckin shit head. I was even in the game where i saw him beat the #1 ww sin on east a few times, and if u know anything at all about this game, u know an elite ww sin can possibly be one of the best chars because they are the most well rounded and strongest like a hammerdin.

As for ur 4k life zon, yea u can hit that life, but shes gonna suck big ass balls. U can hit that much life with very little res and little or no dr. In that case ur life means shit because no dr or res means nothing is reducing that damage when ur getting hit. If for some reason u do have alot of res and dr with that much life, then ur dmg and ias frames are shitty because its not possible to have that much life without sacrafacing all that dmg.

My zon and spartikis' are the only ones i am aware of that are the most balance tanking zons. We each have 30 dr, max res, approximately 5k dmg and 3.6k+ life. His is even better because he went all out and got the best gear where i sacraficed a few things i couldnt afford. Reguardless, mine still owns everything.

"reguardless", you're still an illiterate shitface.

what are you gonna do? stab me to death with wizard spike or tank me with bow and your pathetic 2k life/30% dr LOL?
it's not MY zon dumbass, im talking about the zons who actually give me a decent challenge. 20% dr bow switch, 50% dr jav/ss switch. 7 fpa guided, 3+ times more damage than this clown build and ~2k more life (your 2k life freekills die in 1 ww lololol).
you arent aware of your own asshole, the screens in this shitguide clearly shows a pathetic 2k damage and the inbred niggerloving author said himself that he didn't use bo lmfao.

this is how long your piss poor 2k life 30% dr freekill garbage would last vs any half-decent barb hahahaha:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS9NJ_fklhk

choke on cock crybaby

its impossible to get 6k dmg with 7fpa with 4k life. 6k dmg with 7fpa is a glass zon dmg/ias. Any zon that achieves 20% dr and 4k life would classify as a tank and could never get more than 5k dmg and 8fpa. Ur a moron. This world has enough of them, so do everyone a favor and just / and die.

Edit: if u also think it dies in one hit, get any duel on east to duel him and u can watch. They'll be lucky if they hit him and when they do, he can tank enough dmg to live through a few hits. Fuckin idiot.

This post was edited by Mattd90 on Jun 27 2008 02:33pm

Whats the problem with telestomping zons without a shield on a bvc? vroom vroom dead zon. Yes there are some zons that make themselves hard to catch but they have to be careful not to get telestomped by well played bvcs.

Also out of curiosity who was this n1 wwsin? sorry I find it hard to believe any well played wwsin would lose repeatedly to a telezon, it is by far one of the hardest matchups for a telezon.

I have shield out at all times, I don't have my bow out for teleport. I think perhaps the dumbass at the top of this page may have misread something somewhere.

I'm that zon, and in the case a hit is landed: it's generally dodged, blocked, or tanked.

Oni was the wwsin, I don't know about #1, but he certainly is one of the top sin players on east. And to be honest, I find it more difficult to fight (good) kicksins than wwsins. The attack bp combined with the added versatility/bps that can be reached (higher fcr/fhr/run-walk/etc. etc.), they give me a tougher time.

Max dr and max resists + immense life/max block always prove difficult to overcome with sins, but then you have to borrow from that in order to defeat it. My amulet is bm by most standards (2zon/13str/20dex/20@/45psn/75% reduce), but I also share most of those qualities. I find that open wounds and avoiding namelock and undermining mind blast's stun lock with weapon switch (while being careful to anticipate the attack, of course) can put my zon on an equal playing field if not above.

No matter how unorthodox the build is or how wacky it seems, it works incredibly well for me.

It's kind of similar to your kicksin, in that the build works well for people who adapt to it, but sucks for average duelers


(also, I think matt90 meant can't* instead of can for most statements, his english isn't spectacular )






Except I'm not stupid enough to get hit with my bow out. Sorry.

And if Europe zons aren't giving you trouble on a no-block barb, you may want to switch to a different realm where you'd find the experience much more damaging to your misplaced ego.






I'm sorry but europe prides itself on rare bows. Rare bows do not amount to faith. Truth. The end.
Why would I tear? I've been nothing but civil here despite your snotty attitude.

A zon can't hit 4.3k life without bo, and I hit 7k+ with a decent barb bo, that's about 3k more than the zons your bo'ing. Truth. The end.

Since when has 72% critical been "poor"? That's what most run/walk zons hit with it maxed. I put like 5 points into it LOL.. Truth. The end.

No, a run/walk zon will not have 3x my defense, and no, it won't make that big of a difference. Defense is not apart of a bowazon's ambition. Truth. The end.

I'm sorry but how is a 1-7k phys dmg ga 3 times as much as 1-3k? At most, they have a little more than twice my base phys dmg. Truth. The end.

Wizard spike is for teleport fcr bp's. What don't you get? Yes I lose the advantages of having javs, yes I know the advantages of having javs, and yes, by running in circles you avoid completely straight aimed ranged attacks. Truth. The end.

08 saracens is a joke. 2% chance to amp is a 1 in 50 chance. Any decent bowa will use atmas with 5% chance to amp (that's 1 in 20, keep up, dear..). But coming from the guy who suggested venom ward armor as a viable source to counter my zon, this doesn't surprise me in the least. Truth. The end.

I don't know why you try arguing, when you can't even present anything viable.

This post was edited by sorowfulhatred on Jun 27 2008 07:32pm

sexy!!!

I've dueled his zon and yes I died however I am not that good with sins and therefore am probably not a good judge of how the character does when pitted against top duelers.

Still you have a nice zon and a nice guide

You're better than average, definitely

It's good that someone finally pm'd me for 1 on 1 gm duels. I really don't mind proving this zon's worth and credibility.

i like to type fast >_<

Edit: Also between Oni and Jix, they are in the top 3, they are so close in gear and skill with some other sin i cant remember, but still by far in the the top 3. Those 3 sins and my friends ww sin Valentine are the only ww sins on east ive lost to on my barb.

This post was edited by Mattd90 on Jun 27 2008 09:15pm