HAHAHAHA! He's being a douche to marvel about zons. Wondrous fun.

just a few questions...

have you ever fucking looked at a rockstopper? y/n? you seem so concerned about dr and resist and fhr, well what do you know! rockstopper has it! not only that, it has 43 str required. wow, that saves you a fuckton of points in str, you can swap out that spirit shield on switch for bo to a lidless and save even more to put into vita! seriously, if you're going to do advocate something, at least advocate the correct choice.

Defense: 163-201 (varies)(Base Defense: 52-62)
Required Level: 31
Required Strength: 43
Durability: 18
+160-220% Enhanced Defense (varies)
Damage Reduced By 10%
30% Faster Hit Recovery
Cold Resist +20-40% (varies)
Fire Resist +20-50% (varies)
Lightning Resist +20-40% (varies)
+15 To Vitality
(Only Spawns In Patch 1.09 or later) you're right, its not 1.08

oh, also...120 resist only counts as stacked against fire sorcs. cs zons usually run between -50 and -75% enemy resist, foh runs you down roughly -260 resists, blizz/orb runs roughly -250 resists...auradins clip off at least 150 resist, sometimes quite a bit more depending on which element and the build. so no, you dont have stacked resists.

also, a bit on the strafe thing. are you thinking i meant for you to only use strafe? no, you strafe, once maybe twice to pop the druid minions, get him caught in block animation half a screen away, then proceed to drop guided on his unstacked ass. multi works, ive just found strafe to work better on druids.

1) Most zons don't use a ber'd ss. Usually some form of negative requirement jewel. Which leaves you with 35% dr which is what i including in the calculations and i would consider to be fairly accurate. Either way it doesnt make a big difference i guess.
2) Well ill just agree with you and say that all barbs dual wield doomz. However, if its is stacking together as one lvl 21 aura then isnt it considered as one source? if so isn't it capped at 50% slow anyways? Which is the amount of slow that lvl 12 provides.





1) Im being a douche to him? lol i think its the other way around, considering i was being nice even he was rude with his lame little comment about the "ignorant" hyper link

2) lets compare rock stopper to coa
-doesn't have + 1 to skill,
-5% less dr,
-only covers three of the four resistances
-the 15 vitality doesn't get a bonus from BO.
-And last but most importantly it doesn't have 2 sockets! Kind of the key feature in my build.

And rock stoppers been around since 1.07, and yes those are the stats for 1.09, whats your point? once again more useless facts you could have saved a whole bunch of time not posting because no one cares about your trashy little helm. Plus if i lower my strength i wouldn't be able to use spirit or storm shield on my switch.

3) There is no EXACT amount for what is or isn't stacked resistance and once again as previously explained it comes down to your OPINION of what stacked res is or isn't.

This post was edited by Spartikis on Mar 7 2008 10:11am

Facts aren't opinions. You can't argue against the fact that every oponent that can lower your resistance will easily do it. What you have is just called reaching max res.

You also said you did not bash glass cannons; i remember even reacting to one of your posts where you did it so don't lie.
Stop talking about bvcs that use ebotd , they clearly suck.

this build is a fucking joke... lol

ofc, this is just my opinion O_/

hey i never claimed to be a BvC expert now did I?

And look, no one gives a damn about your opinion.

Two worthless posts in a row, thanks for the free bumps guys

This post was edited by Spartikis on Mar 7 2008 10:47am

It wasn't my opinion. Those were just facts; like i would say water freezes at 0 degrees , that's an undeniable truth.
The rest of my posts were neutral in this topic. Yes i corrected some of your statements but that doesn't mean i'm offensive towards you unless you're immature.

If you want my opinion then here it is : your dueling experience is a little above average at best , same for your knowledge of other classes and specs and how they work . However i respect your point of view and am not bashing it unlike you did before with other types of amazons.

The big difference comes from the extra 75% block after D/A/E, and they can tank a lot even though they have only 1.2k life. Btw, the stacking aura is lvl 24, not 21, and it is not the slow that makes dual wielding doomz a big difference, it is the superior radius. The average 800x600 screen is about 18 yards.

Imagine bvc with a level 24 leap, by calculation, it kb's almost a full screen of minions at 17.82 yards, and that is almost touching all four corners of the monitor screen already. If you wanna play safe, then barbs usually go up to level 26, and by calculation, it is 19.14 yards, and that is already beyond a barbarian's screen, so isn't 19.3 yards at level 24 HF clearly way beyond a screen? Of course unless your zon is using gmod. I hope I am much clearer now with this illustration.

Just tell me truthfully, have you fought against a doomz/doomz barb b4? Dual doomzs barbs are way harder to handle than your average bva barbs to tell you the truth, and I am serious when I say this. My clan has a bow, and I practice a lot with them with all sorts of barbs, so I am very sure about what I claim. I am not sure what's the capped at slow, but isn't it very clear that when 7fpa 170frw zons are slowed to a great extend, how could your 8fpa 110frw zon with just 200% more life tank better with Zero Block?

Just tell me truthfully, have you fought against a barb wielding two doomzs before?

This post was edited by Soka_Gakkai on Mar 7 2008 11:42am

Conveniently left out coa str req vs rockstoppers

Great guide although I prefer GC ama's.

well first off i mean 24 not 21, im pretty sure i can add. The 1 and 4 just happen to be next to each other on the number pad

Yes i have dueled vs dual doomz barbs and yeah the hf is really annoying, yeah they can be bard to beat at times.

But honestly until you have built this zon and have had first hand experience dueling with her for over a year with this exact setup its hard for you or anyone to say how she will or will not perform in a given dueling situation. Dont take that the wrong way, i dont want to be rude and i welcome your comments. I just think that when it comes to knowing my own build i have a little more of a background.



Well thank you for a civil and intelligent response, I appreciate it. My goal here is not to bash anyone or the build they use but to show a new and potentially better way of making a Bow Amazon. Not everyone is going to like it and thats fine. Like always i welcome all forms of criticisms both positive and negative. However, i would prefer if people take the time to explain why "my build sucks" if you feel its necessary to say so. I have tried to base my reasoning on facts and numerical data as that has a stronger basis that feelings and personal preferences. Therefore i would hope people posting would do the same.

You act like if i used rock stopper i would only need 43str vs 174 or something

lets see my bow needs 108 str
spirit needs 156
storm shield needs 156
would be saving 18 stat points

18 * 3 * 1.68 = 90 life extra

but then i loose 60 life from bo and all that extra dmg i would take from having 5% less dr

If you want to use rockstopper go for it! I promise i wont stop you but i cant promise i wont laugh at you

This post was edited by Spartikis on Mar 7 2008 11:54am