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Nov 1 2011 02:59pm
Quote (memnoch_thedevil2003 @ Nov 1 2011 09:54pm)
Because in 2006 when we started talking about it, is when I quit for 5 years ;)

And to be fair, he is talking about PVM not PVP, and there are several more factors to include with this. Like the FHR animation isn't always seen, so that's been in debate for years too, whether or not a Zealer needs more Fhr or not too...just a theory. I am currently working on a DS only build to see how it fairs, there are plenty of zealers around for me to test on...just need a couple more pieces to make the build complete...


Why would proc'ing OW or not after a CB have to do with PvM or PvP... everyone knows about this FHR animation stuff, there was actually a discussion in this thread a few pages back, dunno what you mean by a DS only build too, its not so hard to get 100% DS or near it on a normal build.

And yea, if u had such a theory, just make a 100% CB and 100 OW chara on open and see if u proc OW lol vs another player...( kinna easy to make on closed too, if u cant find a way of getting 2 charas in game on open.. ).
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Nov 1 2011 03:22pm
Never heard of CB effecting ds before that's a new one.
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Never heard of CB effecting ds before that's a new one.


or its just wrong lol

Heard a lot of rumours coming from melee like this, one was that higher def makes you hit the min damage more frequently

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Quote (Jeebus666 @ Nov 1 2011 10:54pm)
or its just wrong lol

Heard a lot of rumours coming from melee like this, one was that higher def makes you hit the min damage more frequently


Not a rumor.

Poison damage cancels out crit/DS, grief +dmg gets applied after pvp penalty (EDC>Grief for a bvc) Standard of heroes makes you not lose exp.
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Quote (bla_1 @ Nov 1 2011 06:04pm)
Not a rumor.

Poison damage cancels out crit/DS, grief +dmg gets applied after pvp penalty (EDC>Grief for a bvc) Standard of heroes makes you not lose exp.


:lol: pro

Quote (Jeebus666 @ Nov 1 2011 05:54pm)
or its just wrong lol

Heard a lot of rumours coming from melee like this, one was that higher def makes you hit the min damage more frequently


yeah im sure it's wrong that's why I said it was a new one lol. Get eywa in here

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Quote (Jeebus666 @ Nov 1 2011 05:54pm)
or its just wrong lol

Heard a lot of rumours coming from melee like this, one was that higher def makes you hit the min damage more frequently


It may be just wrong, like I said, it was an old theory we discussed back in '06, that I am resurrecting to see if valid or not. By Ds only build, I mean I am making build that only has Deadly Strike in it, no Open Wounds, no Crushing Blow, no other dmg modifier that can be processed, so when I attack it's either a DS hit or a normal attack. Finding the right components to make it functional is what's difficult...and it literally opens the builds up on a whole new level again, with several different glove options, boots etc...should be interesting at least, I get bored easily with Zeal, and I am constantly testing new setups, odd theories etc...

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:lol: pro



yeah im sure it's wrong that's why I said it was a new one lol. Get eywa in here


Like I said not new, just old and forgotten.
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Quote (Jeebus666 @ Nov 1 2011 02:51pm)
Haven't thoroughly analysed this, but they have less def, no ow , no cb

10 max is sorta shit add - its like 5 extra avg weapon dmg -, ur avg weapon dmg on EDC is like 270..when you factor in the +3 dmg charms in inven, you see that the % gain from 10 max damage is very very little.

The chance to get CB is probably worth more..


they're stylish. I've used wartravs in diff setups for the dmg increase also since I already had 100 ds.
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Quote (memnoch_thedevil2003 @ Nov 1 2011 04:38pm)
Really the theory behind this is rather simple. CB always casts first, this has been proven, by eliminating all other sources of dmg, ie ow, cb, and stacking Ds, then one would assume the only 2 chances to do dmg would be from normal attack and deadly strike. So removing CB does by default increase your chance to DS more. We first started talking about this back in 2006, it is not certain but it was rumored also that Cb not only cast first, but potentially could take away a Ds strike...


This isn't how it works.

Crushing Blow is not technically damage. It is a life modifier. It rolls before anything else rolls. Deadly strike is a damage modifier, and rolls separately from CB and OW.

It's fairly easy to make a weapon with 100% cb, ds, and ow in single player, and if you'd like we can tcp/ip and I can prove to you with mathematics that all work at the same time and have no cancelling effect upon one another.


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Quote (F150 @ Nov 1 2011 03:16pm)
i got them from Z0N

only ones i know of is mine and jose's does dave also have some?


I have some, of course.

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Quote (inkanddagger @ Nov 2 2011 12:37am)
This isn't how it works.

Crushing Blow is not technically damage. It is a life modifier. It rolls before anything else rolls. Deadly strike is a damage modifier, and rolls separately from CB and OW.

It's fairly easy to make a weapon with 100% cb, ds, and ow in single player, and if you'd like we can tcp/ip and I can prove to you with mathematics that all work at the same time and have no cancelling effect upon one another.


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I have some, of course.


Ah yeah I thought you would although wasn't sure. Po-j prob has a pair as well.

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Quote (dark-soul @ Nov 2 2011 05:30am)
they're stylish. I've used wartravs in diff setups for the dmg increase also since I already had 100 ds.


well war travs in 15-25 dmg ( so 20 avg dmg added ), war travs also gives str and 30 life.

These 08 gores give like 5 avg dmg added ( which i showed ain't very significant ), less def, lno ow and no cb... They are clearly worse, and I don't see how using an inferior item that you paid waaay more for makes your chara "stylish", imo it just makes you a bit of an idiot...
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