Use the scissors suwayyah if you have enough +dex from gear imo. Outside of requirements, they are virtually identical to suwayyah.

the mods on his claw arent good anyways... he needs 3venom or something useful. might as well keep searching

I agree with this when i made my first chaos I settled on a 3venom 1ls suw and it was a mistake

3ls / dragon flight is plenty good for someone starting a char imo
3 venom is pointless unless you also have venom on the fools claw

Hi, I was browsing through your Hyb assa guide and first i'd like to say what an impressive collection of items, Im not even going to try to aim for that

But I do have a few questions, if you dont mind answering them:

First of all, what's your reasoning for using 9x shadow sks over 9x trap sks? I've played hyb for a short while now (chaos, fools, 3trap/6shadow sks etc) standard stuff, with more or less the same build (skill wise) as you, although i was using gt claws. I changed the setup, since i wanted to make a pure trapper and wanted to test the trapper gear out first, before remaking. Switched 9 trap sks in, trap claw/trap claw or trap claw/chaos (spider), or fools/chaos and both 65/102 fcr. Those are the setups im testing. But in my discovery, going from 9k to 11k+ trap dmg is definitly worth it, i mean it took my game to a new lvl. Lol that was a long "question" so ill summarise: LS over WW dmg? is it not worth it in thise case? especially with your claws (glitched and great dmg)

Second; This is the setup i had in mind for my rebuild.

20 MB - 1 venom - 1 df - 1 wof - Rest LS and Synergies.

Chaos (suwayyah) + Trap claw - (fury, fools (UmUm) and another trap claw in stash)

65fcr or 102 fcr setup.

9 x trap sks

So basicly a spider setup in some way. How does that sound in your opinion and is it only because i haven't experienced a WW dmg like you that i find LS dmg over WW dmg alot more usefull? And is 20 MB not superior to 20 Venom? (Mostly in TvT's, vs casters and because the SM will cast it ALOT more)

Looking forward to your thoughts on this, I hope it wasn't to much information

Regards, Sapientos.

Spiders don't work.

If you buff up the phys damage enough, ww on a trapper is effective, but that isn't a Spider.

also higher ww lets you hurt people a lot more when they're wsg'ing out and gives claw block/claw mastery/more mb/higher shadow etc

Am i mistaken, is a spider not basicly a trapper with chaos ? If so, thats the setup im using atm and trust me its working well.

About the clawblock, mastery, more mb, higher shadow well:

I would rather be 58% claw block with 11k trap dmg than 60% with 9k, +9 to a low CM doesnt do alot of dmg, more MB, well not more if i max MB :P, and higher shadow well, still trap dmg >

I understand where you are coming from, but with 1 point venom aswell im not hoping to have a insanely high ww dmg, its mostly the OW, and WWing in this case is more to control the movement/game and lock ofc.

against good people you'll need more than just the OW damage to make ww effective, otherwise the reward you gain for risking a ww is simply not worth it.

shadow skillers will ALWAYS give more mb, you cant say you have more mb because you maxed it, we're just talking about what skillers to use. what if I used the max mb build WITH shadow skillers? who has a higher mb?

higher shadow also mbs more frequently as far as I know, and given the horrible re-cast delay on shadow it's nice if it tanks more.

I'm not quite sure what you meant by " i haven't experienced a WW dmg like you". Have you ever tried playing a ghost? Getting some experience with a wwsin might lead you to reach a different conclusion.

You are right about there being a huge difference between 9k and 11k ls, primarily vs opponents that use tgods, but WW can be very helpful offensively. Also, having some shadow skillers makes it easier to get 60 claw block and 50 dr. I personally don't use 9x shadow, even though I am a ww based hybrid. I just use enough shadow gcs to get 50dr/60 weapon block with only 1 point spent.

20 venom > 20 mb anyday

the 20mb is a cute theory but it simply wont be as effective. a trapper with chaos for ww is used defensively not offensive. a hybrid is played offensively and can be defensive in situations IF needed

see the difference? for new sin players high trap damage may seem like the way to go because its simply so much easier to just put it down and have it do damage. but once you get good with ww, you will start seeing the benefits of combining traps + stunlock + ww them when they try to wsg out. (not to mention hybrids have a much easier time vs druids and stuff compared to a trapper)