Ladder Pvm Bowzon Guide By Whitereflection 07/09 - Topic

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Jul 30 2009 05:56pm

Quote (izParagonzi @ Thu, Jul 30 2009, 11:33pm)

Yes you would get 80% more ED on your helm compared to Andy's Visage (40/15)...
But... I get 140% more ED from Fortitude compared to your 160/60 Armor...
Lets see: 120 ed + 160 ed (your setup) = 280 ed
40 ed + 300 ed (my setup) = 340 ed
That means I do 60% more damage than you.
Now you might want to argue that you have 30% ed from your 30 Dexterity WRONG... because the 30 Strength from Andys means 30 points Dexterity... they cancel each other out.

You can't get 150 IAS to break the 8 frame IAS bp when wearing a Fort, and 9 frame is too slow even for PvM.

If I decide to use a 45 IAS/120 ED/30 dex circlet + Fort setup, I will still do way more damage than Andy (15/40 jeweled) + Fort setup, but I don't want to lose the 8 FPA bp.

By all means, Andy is not a bad helm. But if you want more damage, 45/120 is the way to go.

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Jul 30 2009 06:43pm

@ ewhitereflectionm
your little attempt here is far from being a guide
if oyu wanna know what a real guide looks like.. check my profile there are 2 real guides.

your little half assed draft is as far from being a guide as george w bush is form being no idiot.

but okay let's see

1. I do not use hr's on char if I did not find tghem or cube them myself from runes I have rushed for myself.
I only see that you achieve inferiority with more input than necessary.

but hey I won't tell you what to do,l iof youn weanna continue being cheatin scum, do so.
(and if you don't believe me check the droprates for the runes or the chances to get one 40/15 jewel)

2. are you really that much of an illiterate
2 frame strafe does not work....
I thought you understood that like 5-7 pages ago

3. 15/15 jewels mean normally more damage than a 40/15 jewel on a bowzon because one already has a good chunk of off weapon ed, making it better overall to increase the damage itself.
but hey i don't expect you to actually know such things.. you already showed that you don#t really know what you are talking about.

4. why should nonfreeze or coldabsorb be a priority on a ranged attacker?
if a monster gets close enough to freeze you, you're doing somehting wrong.
you have 2-3 meatshields+ slower missiles and the dodgeskills
AR is no question ebcaus eof dex as dex can and other rings can easily smoke a raven damagewise
and off screen killing ftw ^^

5. 9 frame is not too slow for pvm trust me it works and one can easily find other means of achieving goals

This post was edited by Ancalagon on Jul 30 2009 06:45pm

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Jul 30 2009 06:49pm

Quote (Rage101 @ Fri, Jul 24 2009, 03:32am)

Nice guide howie 10/10, this zon rapes.

i agree.. this is a good guide.. i think ill try it

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Jul 30 2009 08:46pm

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Bow : Windforce (open) Windforce (open) Windforce (shael) Windforce (40/15) Windforce (40/15)
Helm : Andy's (40/15) Gaze (40/15) Gaze (40/15) 120/45 | 25Str Circ 120/45 | 25Str Circ
Armor: Fortitude Fortitude Fortitude Fortitude 160/60/100 life AP
Belt : Razortail Razortail Razortail Razortail Razortail
Glove: Lay of Hands Lay of Hands Lay of Hands Lay of Hands Lay of Hands
Ammy : Highlords Cats Eye Atma's Scarab Atma's Scarab Atma's Scarab
Ring1: Ravenfrost Ravenfrost Ravenfrost Ravenfrost Ravenfrost
Ring2: Rare/Craft 15Str Rare/Craft 15Str Rare/Craft 15Str Rare/Craft 15Str LL Rare/Craft 15Str+LL
Boots: War Trav War Trav War Trav War Trav War Trav
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KB: Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
ML: 6-8% 12-16% 12-16% 6-8% 6-8%
LL: 8-10% 6-8% 6-8% ??% ??%
DS: Yes No No No No
Amp: No No Yes Yes Yes
DR: No 15-20% 15-20% No No
FRW: 25% 55% 25% 25% 25%
IAS: 95% 95% 95% 100% 160%
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Rogue Merc Wielding lvl 14+ Faith Bow: Frames Per Attack = Attacks Per Second
Fpa: 7 = 3.57aps 7 = 3.57aps 7 = 3.57aps 7 = 3.57aps N/A
Fpa: 4/3/3/3/6 Strafe 4/3/3/3/6 Strafe 4/3/3/3/6 Strafe 4/3/3/3/6 Strafe N/A

Might Aura Merc Wielding Pride Polearms: Frames Per Attack = Attacks Per Second
Fpa: 9 = 2.77aps 9 = 2.77aps 9 = 2.77aps 9 = 2.77aps 8 = 3.12aps
Fpa: 5/3/3/3/7 Strafe 5/3/3/3/7 Strafe 5/3/3/3/7 Strafe 5/3/3/3/7 Strafe 4/3/3/3/7 Strafe
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Resistences Hell Difficulty, INCLUDES: Perfect Anni/Torch/Anya Quests & Items
FR: +15-20% +35-50% +35-50% +35-50% +20%
LR: +30-35% -05-00% -05-00% -05-00% -30%
CR: -05-00% -05-00% -05-00% -05-00% -30%
PR: +65-70% -05-00% +70-75% +70-75% +50%
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STR : ADD 20* ADD 49* ADD 49* ADD 24* ADD 24*
STR : 134 Total 134 Total 134 Total 134 Total 134 Total

VZon: 105 Dex 130 Dex 105 Dex 105 Dex 105 Dex
VZon: 485 Vita 456 Vita 456 Vita 481 Vita 481 Vita
VZon: 1563 Life 1476 Life 1476 Life 1511 Life 1611 Life

HZon: 400 Dex 396 Dex 371 Dex 396 Dex 396 Dex
VIT : ADD 130 ADD 130 ADD 130 ADD 130 ADD 130
HZon: =200 Vita =200 Vita =200 Vita =200 Vita =200 Vita
HZon: 718 Life 718 Vita 718 Vita 718 Life 818 Life

GZon: 520 Dex 516 Dex 491 Dex 516 Dex 516 Dex
GZon: 70 Vita 70 Vita 70 Vita 70 Vita 70 Vita
GZon: 328 Life 328 Life 328 Life 328 Life 428 Life

I saw this guide, somehow i cant decide which one, you just put all the possibilities. Thats good but which one should I use? Did you test any of these? tell me which one clears the chaos fastest?
We people who look the guides wants to know the items of The Gosu "hero" so we should try to improve our hero.

I accept that is the most expensive guide ever saw (for a new ladder) imo.
But It WORKS.

@ 2 skills from andy
i dont agree +2 the pierce thing because of razor
%77 of CTa become %83 700 life become 1281 instead of 1239 , or sth like that but it doesnt matter. If you really play this zone, you should run/escape from attacks Or go vita zon on the other guides.

@Usage of this Pride merc
The damage that is given by that merc is 20 lvl pride 345 ed
90 lvl merc with +2 skill +300 ~
http://diablo3.ingame.de/tips/calcs/dmgcalc/dmgcalc.php?patch=110&lang=eng
the damage calculator
You dont need to see any of these monsters. Auto aim of strafe will do the job, even you/your merc cant see them. So no IM kills the merc. All you have to do PRESS SHIFT and LEFT MOUSE button. :))
I tried my father to play it. Yes he did it. =))

@about 15/15 jewels
ok maybe, we should use calculator. I'll try it. whats the matter?

@ChuckVinLee
i made exact the same @ 1 year before, when the ladder starts. That was good enough and playable but not owning.

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Quote (Rage101 @ Fri, Jul 24 2009, 03:32am)
Nice guide howie 10/10, this zon rapes.

i agree.. this is a good guide.. i think ill try it

This post was edited by sec0 on Jul 30 2009 08:47pm

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Jul 30 2009 09:35pm

Quote (sec0 @ Thu, Jul 30 2009, 10:46pm)

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Then wat can i do to make it better? I have atmas out all the time now and switched the titan+ss for harmony for stronger valk and vigor.

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Jul 30 2009 10:31pm

Quote (WhiteReflection @ Fri, Jul 31 2009, 11:56am)

You can't get 150 IAS to break the 8 frame IAS bp when wearing a Fort, and 9 frame is too slow even for PvM.

If I decide to use a 45 IAS/120 ED/30 dex circlet + Fort setup, I will still do way more damage than Andy (15/40 jeweled) + Fort setup, but I don't want to lose the 8 FPA bp.

By all means, Andy is not a bad helm. But if you want more damage, 45/120 is the way to go.

Bolded: That is already in my list... it is the 2nd to last option.

The argument is not about the 120/45 dealing more damage... this is simple
The point is dealing constant damage based on speed:
9fps & Strafe 5/3/3/3/7 = Because strafe is the main attack... there is no difference to your speed
8fps & Strafe 4/3/3/3/7 = So you get out 1 extra arrow slightly faster... BUT you deal less damage
... Now you have to take into consideration of the "No Hit Delay"... even if we are firing the same strafe... we miss the same amount of times (basically arrows ignored because of 4fps)

Quite honestly... try using fort instead of using 160/60 armor for about 20 chaos runs... you will notice the difference... even with the added resistences.
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Quote (sec0 @ Fri, Jul 31 2009, 02:46pm)

In answer to some of your questions:
I have played every setup mentioned there... and I have played other setups including Phoenix Bow on a Frostmaiden setup... it worked wonders before they patched some lag-dupe thingy.

Which setup clears Chaos fastest:
120/45 helm + Fortitude. (second to last in the table)
Gaze + Fortitude. (this would be next)
Andys helm + Fortitude. (then this... but the versatility is great)

Yes it is expensive... Yes it does work (that was not my arguement)... but it is not the best to clear chaos... so that means it is wasted fg/items etc

+2 Skill on Andys Vs Pierce & Razortail: Saving 1 or 2 skill points to invest into other area for defense, attack or Valk/Decoy maybe a better option.

In my guide I have strategies on keeping your Act2 Merc alive... it is a no brainer... but remember that if you are in a full game... the monsters are not
mowed down quite that fast... in actual fact... it is the KB that aids you here. Because I am more into Frostmaidens... the following tips are based on that build:

Chaos:
How this setup deals with "Iron Maiden" on a Melee Merc, well it doesn't, your gaming style determines his survival.
#1 I target the caster behind the mob with "Freezing Arrow" and shoot. "WTF", he is immune cold, why?
... Physical damage + 100% Pierce + Knockback + Freezing all non immunes directly in path of Arrow, interrupting caster
#2 Divide and Conquer by using your valk/decoy, this is an old strategy and you can target Caster with GA or FA
#3 Target Caster and cast Valk or decoy on top of him, allows decrep curse cast.
#4 Combine #2 & #3
#5 Keep merc behind you and kill off those that get his attention and quickly retreat.

You can say this is a great guide... I will not dispute that.
I only know that you can have something as good at a cheaper price... and I think is better at killing.

Anyway... I like to discuss... good hunting and killing folks.
Once Patch 1.13 comes about... you may find that the bowazon will not be nerfed like some of the other characters:

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Jul 30 2009 10:36pm

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Jul 31 2009 02:55am

@Iz - There is one major drawback with your argument....

NO ZON should be seen in public wearing Andy's ugly mug. Honestly, estetics are important to a vain girl you know. The mods are great, but I've never put that thing on anything except a merc for that reason....

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Jul 31 2009 02:56am

Quote (AyeCaramba @ Fri, Jul 31 2009, 08:55pm)

I know you hate the look...

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Jul 31 2009 09:09pm

Debate over Fort vs 60/160 armor after my test:

Pros:
1. Fort has much higher defense (1500+ if you get archon) / chilling armor (defense bonus + absorb projectiles etc) / 25+ resist all.
2. Unless you get 100% p uncommon armor type fort (like wirefleece etc), it's much cheaper than a jeweler's armor of whale. 25+ resist all can probably save you some fg on charms etc.
3. Fort gives 140% bonus ED which is around 600 extra damage on hit.

Cons:
1. Jeweler's armor gives more life after Bo. (The life/lvl thing from Fort is not bo-able)
2. You lose the 8 frame multie shot IAS bp so your damage output becames 89% of what you used to do. Even if you count the extra 600 bonus damage from Fort, you still end up doing a bit less damage. Strafe is affected for sure but it's not that obvious and hard to calculate.

Conclusion: Using fort is definitely a viable/cheaper build , which I will probably include in the revision.

And no no to Andys, ugly ass helm.

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Jul 31 2009 09:35pm

I like andy's, It looks scary!

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