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Jul 15 2009 08:12am
Quote (mailisa @ Wed, Jul 15 2009, 10:07am)
his build can have a 75fcr setup with 86fhr and a tap setup as well. and theres no real need for fcr. barbs only have 1 attack they can use vs the vt - ww. if they switch to bow its ez charge/smite. and if they get close to ww, the vt only has to move in the path and smite. if they dont attack, you can just sit back and spam FOH all day.

Perhaps this is not the best build for eu but then again east does not have bbelt so gear choices are limited

and maybe the vts on your realm all suck. theres a lot of factors that come to play here. on east for example vt vs barb is almost a clear cut win for the V/T

if you dont think this setup works, then what would you suggest for a build (keep in mind that there is no bbelt option)


vouch this.. might be coz there aren't good VTs on eu.. coz on east, my VT has been able to rape about 99.99% of barbs, BvC or BvA regardless.. afaik, i've lost only one duel, where i misclicked, so i had foh switch gear when he was WW clipping..

imo a good V/T vs a good barb would be a 70-30 duel in favor of VT.. if barb goes on offense, tele-smite in the way of WW.. if he goes defensive, foh.. if he switches to widow, tele/charge smite..
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Quote (ashwinthegrim @ Wed, Jul 15 2009, 10:12am)
vouch this.. might be coz there aren't good VTs on eu.. coz on east, my VT has been able to rape about 99.99% of barbs, BvC or BvA regardless.. afaik, i've lost only one duel, where i misclicked, so i had foh switch gear when he was WW clipping..

imo a good V/T vs a good barb would be a 70-30 duel in favor of VT.. if barb goes on offense, tele-smite in the way of WW.. if he goes defensive, foh.. if he switches to widow, tele/charge smite..


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Quote (drt1245 @ Wed, Jul 15 2009, 10:13am)
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yea, as i said, that was an old duel.. i've improved since, and i don't use switch anymore.. but the point of the argument was comparing VT vs barb duels..
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Jul 15 2009 08:15am
Quote (mailisa @ Wed, 15 Jul 2009, 15:07)
and if they get close to ww, the vt only has to move in the path and smite. if they dont attack, you can just sit back and spam FOH all day.


this might the thing that is different from eu then

if a barb makes long whirls it will desynch alot (especially with full str bug)
in that case a v/t just "only has to move in the patch" won't work and the v/t will miss all the time

and sit back and spam foh won't help, his 0% fcr foh doing only ~100 dmg at one time is just hilarious


but if the server differs so much from the eu one that desynching whirls won't happen, then you have a valid argument
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Jul 15 2009 08:16am
Quote (Pari @ Wed, Jul 15 2009, 10:15am)
this might the thing that is different from eu then

if a barb makes long whirls it will desynch alot (especially with full str bug)
in that case a v/t just "only has to move in the patch" won't work and the v/t will miss all the time

and sit back and spam foh won't help, his 0% fcr foh doing only ~100 dmg at one time is just hilarious


but if the server differs so much from the eu one that desynching whirls won't happen, then you have a valid argument


correct me if i am wrong, but does fcr even affect foh? afaik, foh has a cooldown time..
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Quote (ashwinthegrim @ Wed, Jul 15 2009, 10:16am)
correct me if i am wrong, but does fcr even affect foh? afaik, foh has a cooldown time..


Please, stop talking in this thread. You make my brain hurt.
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Quote (Pari @ Wed, 15 Jul 2009, 05:43)
hmm yes i just read that it's a barb
well tricky one then

barb should rape v/t anyway, and especially bui's shit zaka one olololol


As a Bvc, a well played Smite/Foh varient is VERY tough.
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correct me if i am wrong, but does fcr even affect foh? afaik, foh has a cooldown time..


so what?

with 0% fcr your foh will still last 15 frames, which is more than half a second
and tele smiting a whirling barb won't work either
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Jul 15 2009 08:20am
Quote (young2093 @ Wed, 15 Jul 2009, 15:18)
As a Bvc, a well played Smite/Foh varient is VERY tough.


but then i again how is the desynch on us servers?
on eu the whirls desynch alot which makes it very hard to telesmite even with 30 or 48% fcr
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Jul 15 2009 08:24am
ahahah i just check the skills and no vigor LOL
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