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Your fighting noob Amazons abviously. My Hybrid zon can deal 5K Jab and if your a no block Barbraian (Which this build is) your gonna die in 2 Jabs. Then, as you said zons will also try to Run away and land Lightning Bolts (Not Lightning Furys noob) at you. They will also "1 shot switch you" which means hit W take a Shot and then go back to block and run. If the zon is oldschool they know to run in back and forth patters and zig zag so when a barb teles your in the wrong direction of them. Letting a zon "one shot hit you" Tactic will get you killed in less then 6 shots with the GMB Faith. My Amazon deals 6,982 damage at 74% Critical... your dead.

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So theres your evaluation.

Oh by the way, you fail Noob School 101 with a big, fat F. The next semester starts soon so please go to eBay and look for your chance to sign up.

Quote (marvel. @ Tue, Jun 27 2006, 06:34pm)

what does abviously mean? your barb gets tanked by zons, how cute. zons have zero defense and die to straight up ww. lightning fury is like 200X better then bolt vs barb... you are an idiot.

even if you landed a max hit of 13k every time, you still couldn't kill him in 6 hits. most barbs have 50% DR/7.5k life. and your zon doesn't use 7fps unless you use slow belt or goldwrap, meaning you die 1 ww ez. lets say you pre-aim and connect like 5 arrows, at most taking about half my life, and that’s giving you more then it would do. all i have to do is small ww you once if you stop, or keep on your ass until you decide to shoot


here’s my evaluation, your barb uses no ow, no ds, no leap, no DR, no fcr, no namelock and gets tanked by zons(all stated by you in this post.)

you say you kill good sorcs/necros/pallys/druids one hit, when that’s not even possible on pure str barbs with fort/phoenix.

my suggestion- stop dueling pubs and get good

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GOOD necro beats a barb regardless, as does a good sorc.

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every time is 2 words not one. the only advantage BOTD has over grief, is on average it hits 3 times instead of 2 during a ww. grief is much better, in so many ways. grief does much more damage, everyone knows that

Quote (Endurack @ Sun, Jun 25 2006, 07:15pm)

Alright here it is, firsto ff everyone on East is minced-meat compared to the PvP competition on West. Some of these critiques are opinion based so it really goes by your preference and skill level. But here it is:

Why This Barbaian Guide Sucks As Much As Blobs:

Luis' BvC Guide (adaptation of Blob's guide)
Blobs sucked, so this build sucks.

20 leap (for team duels; if you plan to never team duel only put in 14-16 here then rest into shout)
If you need this to kill a sorceress or caster you need to uninstall Diablo right now and sit in a corner and give a long, hard thought about why your a failure. First off landing a Tele and playing defensivly vs. good casters will out do you leaping any day. If a caster has the right frame of FHR this will not effect them anywhere near the price of 20 Skill Points Invested.

STR: 46
DEX: 57
VIT: rest
ENG: 10
These stats are good for a pure BvC I suppose. But right now I have the ability on my barbarian to reach Max Blocking with a shield and if I used the 3/20/20's like this build, I would still have 6,781 Life. IMO 10/70+/40+ Are Superior for Damage and Attack Rating. You really do not need more then 6.2K Health on a barbarian. This guy claims he has 10.6k Defner, I can reach 22K+ On my barbarian so I can duel Melee characters very effectivly. Once again my design is more versitle.

PRIMARY ITAMS:

BerBer Coa
Umm, your a BvC why do you need Damage Reduction? Oh thats right, you don't. Arreats has 30 Resistances, 30% FHR and many more usefull stats compared to a CoA.

Highlord Wrath
This can be useful sometimes, but I still have yet to use my Highlords over my Angelics. Unless your using a 95% Cap Deadly Strike Build, it really isnt worth it.

Arachnid Mesh
You have to be joking me? You Need FCR on a barbarian? LMFAO. FCR increases the amount of time you can cast Teleportations over a period of time. That does nothing for a Barbarian because you should Teleport Once maybe twice and land a hit when your good. Dungoes Supplies DR (If you really want it) but mroe so the important stats, 40 Vitality and 10% FHR.

Dracul Gloves (10% leech and 15 strenght necesary)
Garbage, Right now my Barbarian can KO nearly every Sorceress I have fought. This really will only help you probally vs. Paladins if you want to rely on Open WOunds. Otherwise, use Steelrends 20 Str 60 ED. Each point of Strength = 1% ED on a Barbarian. These gloves can produce an additional 530+ Maximum Damage for your Barbaian. You don't have to hit and run if you can KO a target. Plus Life Tap is BM and it doesnt even trigger with WW.

Grief Zerk Axe
This can be viable sometimes I suppose, but once again a eBotD can produce more damage then this. Right now my barbarian can reach a maximum output of 8,487 PURE PHYSICAL Damage (Mosto f the time I use a 7,012 Damage setup) using eBotD and Beast. I have yet to find a Barbarian do more then my Pure Damage thats not Barb vs. Barb. Everytime I fight a good caster, they always comment on how much damage I do and how hard and fast they die.

Hel'd Widowmaker
Lol, I suppose you want to do some Z vs. Z? This item will help you vs. noobs only and you wont even need it vs. them. Any good Mage, V/T Judicator Type I and II. Avenger Prismadin, Liberator, Tesladin etc. will capitalize on you and you will have limited ttime to switch. It will result in you losing more health then it is worth. True, you might land a Open Wounds hit, but once again any GOOD Caster will capitalize on you when you switch and the game can, and will lag on Secondary Weapon switch leaving you at high risk.

Demon Limb
LMFAo nice Bm, learn to get AR.

HOTKEYS:

Left click: berserk
Rightt click: WW, TELE, LEAP, UNSUMMON, BC, BO, SHOUT,
i use: f1-ww f2-tele f3-leap f4-unsummon
you dont really need to use asdf... on a barb

Besker? Left Click? LMFAO ROFL OMG IM CRYING. Check this out, learn how to short WW, and Tele WW instantly. Right click Tele left click WW and use shift to move triangular for WWs, saves you time and lag of switching keys. Two most viable spells ready at all times. You Tele and keep shift down and click to one of the sides of your target and guess what, they cant react fast enough and you kill them. True, sometimes this will put you in a slight bit of animation lag, just make sure you tele short so your not in it long. I cant possibly recall the last time I had Tele on Right Click...must be at least 3 years.

ALWAYS wait 8 seconds between attacks to let OW run its duration; unless you see a good opportunity to attack.
Ummm.. 1-2 WW's your caster, other then Paladins, should be dead. Paladins can take 3-5 WW's depending on your Pure Damage.

SECTION 1. PUB GAME (thanks blobs ^__________^ )

USE PRIMARY GEAR ALL THE TIME. KILL, NK, STEAL GOLD, AND THEN SAY "CRY". THIS WORKS WONDERS ON THEIR MORALE AND CAUSES THEM TO PLAY BADLY AND / OR BRING MORE DUELERS WHICH ARE CARRYING MORE GOLD. CARRY 1/4 HEALTH POTS AND 3/4 MANA POTS. USE THE PRIMARY GEAR CAUSE U CANT BE KILLED EASILY BY ANYTHING WHEN USING IT, EVEN THOUGH YOUR DAMAGE SUCKS. POT CONSTANTLY SINCE THEY ARE DOING IT TOO, AND IF YOU KILL MORE, THATS MORE GOLD FOR MORE POTS.
(im usually not this mean T________________T )

Your joking, OMG please tell me your joking? Nice job learning to be "Public" and lowering yourself to the biggest noob society around. Hurt your name more. Learn to duel so when you join games people are like "OMG ITS HIM HES SO GOOOD" not "LMFAO DID YOU GO GET MROE POTS AND MERC AND STUFF?"

Switch in gores and 2x fcr rings. Start about 2-3 screens away, make sure you know where they are before the duel starts (before you say go, look where they are on the map then go about 3 screens away). Bowazons are depending that you tele right into their GA/IGA lines so you will move 90 degrees to either side while staying 3-5 screens (you dont want to appear on their map). This will leave the bowazon to guess where to fire each duel (switch ur position every duel then sometimes dont when they expect u to move position). Once the duel starts, do full screen tele's across the map until you land right ontop of them, ww till dead. If you miss or they get a lucky dodge/block then chase them quickly via namelocking (one of the only duels you want to tele namelock). Repeat until dead. If they try to use lf, just make sure to triangle ww them.
You should get them on the first tele ww if you do it right, but some zons may escape, in which case it just means you have to telestomp them till they die and triangle them if they try to tank with lf.

Your fighting noob Amazons abviously. My Hybrid zon can deal 5K Jab and if your a no block Barbraian (Which this build is) your gonna die in 2 Jabs. Then, as you said zons will also try to Run away and land Lightning Bolts (Not Lightning Furys noob) at you. They will also "1 shot switch you" which means hit W take a Shot and then go back to block and run. If the zon is oldschool they know to run in back and forth patters and zig zag so when a barb teles your in the wrong direction of them. Letting a zon "one shot hit you" Tactic will get you killed in less then 6 shots with the GMB Faith. My Amazon deals 6,982 damage at 74% Critical... your dead.

OMG your tactics get worse I am tired of typing. Some of these tips on dueling are good, but alot of them are garbage. Your sorc tactics make me laugh. I can kill a bmana sorc using full DR and mana pots in 5 WW's and I CAN TANK THEM.

So theres your evaluation.

Oh by the way, you fail Noob School 101 with a big, fat F. The next semester starts soon so please go to eBay and look for your chance to sign up.

Quote (luis19 @ Tue, Jun 27 2006, 09:21pm)

hmm....lie



tisk tisk marvel ur supposed to be walking d2 dictionary. grief hits same amount as botd because the last ww breakpoint is 34%ias with berzerker axe.

Quote (luis19 @ Tue, Jun 27 2006, 11:37pm)

impossible. the last ww breakpiont is 34ias for zerker, aka 4 frames.
your testing was flawed because the biggest nerd in d2 history has tested it before; mcm.

try this noob:
barb with 34ias zerker with the tightest dmg range possible while doing enough damge to notice hits add hax charms for some ar maybe add some lvls.
any char lvl 1 no block no clawbloc no dodge lowest def possible. add hax charms to give it life
ww a few times and count hits, maybe add cold dmg or fire dmg to see hits better.

try again with 60ias zerker, it will be the same amount of hits.

150 ar isnt gonna make a different at all, maybe a fraction of a percent. 30 stats? pointless, the dmg on grief outweights everything on botd.

Quote (marvel. @ Wed, Jun 28 2006, 07:40am)

he tested it wrong then, stop commenting, you're wrong. go ask fury lnd or menzo, or come on d2 and i'll prove it to you, botd hits vs no def chars everytime 3 time on average, grief hits 2.

Quote (faulk @ Wed, Jun 28 2006, 09:13am)

Ahahaha, i just tested it.

Grief hits 3 times.

Botd ba hits 3 times.

I used fire charm to see the hits.