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Sep 20 2004 04:22pm
Newb, please take your head out of your ass (or your boyfriends ass) and listen to what i'm actually saying...

I have nothing at all against Kodachi. I think this build rocks. I would love to make one actually, but I am not making a new sin for quite some time. My comments to him are actually ALL based on the fact that he is a great dueler. Think about it, I have no doubt at all that what he says about his character is true. But Kodachi is skilled and experienced with not only WW sins, but stun locking as well which lets face it, his entire build is based around stun locks and teleporting. So, as much as I think Kodachi himself is amazing, I don't think the build itself is thatt dominant. Basically what i'm saying is, Kodachi could own people naked, but most people who follow this guide are going to be frustrated with the limits it has, and would clearly do much better following U-gods guide, which is a much stronger build vs all but one or two opponents.

No matter what Kodachi tells you, you are NOT going to beat godly smiters, zealots, or chargers. Once their life tap casts, your damage is going to be far too low to be able to bring their life DOWN when they are leeching back. Only chance you have, is to get a great stun lock on them, but that takes A LOT of practice. I bet 90% of the duelers out there don't even know what a stun lock is. You are NOT going to beat WW barbs, or ww sins either. You are NOT going to beat Casters any easier then U-gods guide does. Dragon flight is by far the best caster killer skill in the game. It's not even close. Hands down the best caster killer skill there is. Why the hell would you prefer to use teleport, when dragon flight hits casters WHILE they are teleporting? Your telling me it's easier to hit a sorc who is teleporting like crazy by guessing where he will be next, teleport and ww there? Give me a break. Hitting the dragon flight button will put you on the sorc and kick him in the face almost every time.

The simple fact of the matter is, this guide is for a fun WW sin, not a good one. However, just because I happen to think this WW sin is a little on the weak side, that doesn't in any way mean I don't love it. I myself play kick assassins a lot, so I love the stun lock and teleport aspect of this WW sin. It would be way more fun to play. Also, kodachi's experience is NOT in question. I know who he is. In fact, i've dueled against some of his friends that he plays with regularly on SP since i'm on West. I know EXACTLy who he is and i'm not dissing him.

I just think he's misleading people with a build that is average at best. It is natural to mislead people too when he wins so much with the build. However, as I have said several times, he's winning because HE'S good, not the build...



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Sep 20 2004 05:49pm
QUOTE (wu-banger @ Sep 20 2004, 02:22 PM)
Newb, please take your head out of your ass (or your boyfriends ass) and listen to what i'm actually saying...

I have nothing at all against Kodachi.  I think this build rocks.  I would love to make one actually, but I am not making a new sin for quite some time.  My comments to him are actually ALL based on the fact that he is a great dueler.  Think about it, I have no doubt at all that what he says about his character is true.  But Kodachi is skilled and experienced with not only WW sins, but stun locking as well which lets face it, his entire build is based around stun locks and teleporting.  So, as much as I think Kodachi himself is amazing, I don't think the build itself is thatt dominant.  Basically what i'm saying is, Kodachi could own people naked, but most people who follow this guide are going to be frustrated with the limits it has, and would clearly do much better following U-gods guide, which is a much stronger build vs all but one or two opponents.

No matter what Kodachi tells you, you are NOT going to beat godly smiters, zealots, or chargers.  Once their life tap casts, your damage is going to be far too low to be able to bring their life DOWN when they are leeching back.  Only chance you have, is to get a great stun lock on them, but that takes A LOT of practice.  I bet 90% of the duelers out there don't even know what a stun lock is.  You are NOT going to beat WW barbs, or ww sins either.  You are NOT going to beat Casters any easier then U-gods guide does.  Dragon flight is by far the best caster killer skill in the game.  It's not even close.  Hands down the best caster killer skill there is.  Why the hell would you prefer to use teleport, when dragon flight hits casters WHILE they are teleporting?  Your telling me it's easier to hit a sorc who is teleporting like crazy by guessing where he will be next, teleport and ww there?  Give me a break.  Hitting the dragon flight button will put you on the sorc and kick him in the face almost every time.

The simple fact of the matter is, this guide is for a fun WW sin, not a good one.  However, just because I happen to think this WW sin is a little on the weak side, that doesn't in any way mean I don't love it.  I myself play kick assassins a lot, so I love the stun lock and teleport aspect of this WW sin.  It would be way more fun to play.  Also, kodachi's experience is NOT in question.  I know who he is.  In fact, i've dueled against some of his friends that he plays with regularly on SP since i'm on West.  I know EXACTLy who he is and i'm not dissing him.

I just think he's misleading people with a build that is average at best.  It is natural to mislead people too when he wins so much with the build.  However, as I have said several times, he's winning because HE'S good, not the build...

how will dragon flight hit the sorc in the face almost everytime when sorcs can pack 75% block?
in the guide kodachi also said that godly zealots will kill his ww sin build yet you claim that kodachi told us that it can beat godly zealots

This post was edited by KrAyZi3xSiNx2o6 on Sep 20 2004 05:52pm
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Sep 20 2004 07:08pm
wu-banger: I think that the way this assassin is built really allows a good dueler to showcase his/her abilities. You have to utilize a wide range of skills and have some pretty nice dodging abilities to win, but if you can do it well, then you'll win alot.

Out of what I see on this guide, I like the focus on max trap laying speed, swirly length, and fast cast. Teleport is ok, but I'd rather have Bramble...
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Sep 20 2004 07:24pm
just to clarify:

I do think that u-god's build is better in general. I don't however, think that Koda's build is weak, so I'm debating with you on that point. happy.gif
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Sep 20 2004 08:40pm
Oh BTW, wu-banger, can I have your acc name? I play on West too btw. blink.gif
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Sep 21 2004 10:26am
hm...i wanna duel some good wwsin on west tongue.gif
any1 up fo a gm ww vs ww /w *sf-vilan
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Sep 21 2004 03:47pm
Wu-Banger, I see where you are coming from, but i disagree in a few ways.

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No matter what Kodachi tells you, you are NOT going to beat godly smiters, zealots, or chargers. Once their life tap casts, your damage is going to be far too low to be able to bring their life DOWN when they are leeching back.

First off, if you think you will be dueling alot of melee, pump an extra 29 dex for 1x angelic ring and ammy.
On top of that, use enchant, and if you can find it, get a cruel claw with fools mod and UM it. with one angelic and enchant, you should get 18k ar range, or with a fools mod and enchant and 2x ravens you should get 18k AR range as well. 18k AR is enough in my opinion to hit paladins enough to win. To easily beat life tappers, start the duel by doing a triangle whirlwind around them, short ww's. IF you unfortunatly do get tapped, simply whirl defensively like this:
(x = pala, w= ww movement)
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(x = pala,  w= ww movement)

                  x
                /  w
              x  /
              |  w        w
              \  \        /
                x  w--w


This defensive whirl will not let the paladin hit you while you are tapped, often when Im tapped I win the duel easier, since the paladin runs/charges at my ww and gets hit, while not being able to attack me whiel tapped.
Fade also eliminates Life tap duration, so it ends pretty fast.

Smiters are evene asier than zealots, just do the same when you are tapped and there should be no problem.

Chargers are very easy, as charge is too slow to even hit you while whirling, chances are you will hit them more than they hit you... just be careful and always keep whirling if you suspect they are desynch charging.


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You are NOT going to beat Casters any easier then U-gods guide does. Dragon flight is by far the best caster killer skill in the game. It's not even close. Hands down the best caster killer skill there is. Why the hell would you prefer to use teleport, when dragon flight hits casters WHILE they are teleporting? Your telling me it's easier to hit a sorc who is teleporting like crazy by guessing where he will be next, teleport and ww there? Give me a break. Hitting the dragon flight button will put you on the sorc and kick him in the face almost every time.


The point of enigma is not only namelock tele/ww... but also to combine teleport with dragon flight.
Not many casters know how dragon flight works, and That can be an advantage for U-gods build... but whenever I play a caster against a bramble ww sin, I just stay out of dragon flight range and spam orb/fb/BS... you can easily prevent them from ever getting to you.
With enigma, you can do a teleport on the enemies screen, then follow up with a dragon flight/ww... MUCH less predictable, and almost impossible to avoid compared to running up and flighting. I know there is a loss of damage, but I would rather be able to hit my enemy 6x with enigma than 1x with bramble. The point of using enigma is so you can use both teleport and DF for whatever situation you need.

This post was edited by Kodachi on Sep 21 2004 03:50pm
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Sep 21 2004 05:57pm
hear hear lol
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Sep 22 2004 01:30am
Quite a nice guide though i muz say, but i dun have the time now to build one cos im working on my crus pala. Will considered building one once my crus pala is finished. laugh.gif
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Sep 22 2004 08:10am
yep, im a bramble type wwsin , but i alway have enig + arach in stash fo fast casters ^^
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