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Mar 6 2008 11:58pm
Quote (Spartikis @ Fri, Mar 7 2008, 02:25am)
well if i have an opinion on something and someones opinion is different that is fine. Bust its not a flaw in my build or my guide, its just an difference in opinions. Therefore my guide or no one else guide can really be flawed.


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cute, you managed to be rud and well Ignorant at the same time....good work.

This must be a proud day for you and your family.

This post was edited by Spartikis on Mar 7 2008 12:00am
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nice, i have about 10 bowys

but 1 like this i never do, i will make it next week

i have all gear less coa with 2 x 40/15, i hate sock a coa with these 2 jewels, after i can use the coa in other char?

when i finish she i post here again, i will do he in europe ladder smile.gif

This post was edited by claudio on Mar 7 2008 12:09am
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Mar 7 2008 12:11am
Quote (Spartikis @ Fri, Mar 7 2008, 01:39pm)
Dual wielding barbs go down easy as they have no shield. Just shoot and manuver. Like so many people you are mistaken when you assume i can only take one hit. Lets not forget with high passives, mass life and dr she can tank liek a barb  Only chance they have is if they are using a doom z even then that lowers their dmg when compared ot botd for example so it takes longer for them to kill me. Btw no barbs ever use 2x doom, 1 is more than enough to do the job.

This is not correct! Furthermore, this is a very absurb claim to say that no bvc use 2x doomz on switch. You obviously never fought against one before, and cannot comment on its freezing radius + slow. Do you know that the auras on doomz stack? You be slow more than 55% of your shooting and running speed. I admit you have double the life of a normal dexazon zon, but seriously, with one frame less attack speed, Zero chance of blocking, how are you going to hit a 40fcr barb? And when he gets near to the edge of your screen, with only 100frw, you can no longer desynch run, that is the reason for stacking frw on dexazons, to fight against dual doom barbs. I seriously do not believe your tanking power of 3.7k life + 30dr >> 1.2k life with 75mb + 50dr.

Good work on this guide, but I'm afraid cannot give a very high rating for it since what you claim as I had highlighted in bold in the quotes above. I seriously have doubts on your dueling experience.

To tell you the truth, bva are not popular builds on us west nl. If you are on us west nl, you should fight against TOFO zons. Almost the whole clan are zon users, and almost all of them are using PERM 08 SARACENs. Any bvas get raped here despite having max block. The single griefz or doomz cannot hold against getting getting blocked, amp'ed and kb. The only way to deal with one is by going bm, if our bva in us west can't makit, obviously it should be the same over east.

By the way, it has already been proven that griefz/doomz is a very bad combo for barbs. And this info has already been out for a long time, so you really shouldn't be fighting barbs weilding griefz/doomz in 1.11 anymore. The only pub combo for bvcs are only griefz/beastz and doomz/doomz on switch. If you look up on any bvc guide on any forums, you will see this new updated info and how 2 doomz adds so much versatility for barbs. Thank you.

This post was edited by Soka_Gakkai on Mar 7 2008 12:31am
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Mar 7 2008 12:12am
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cute, you managed to be rud and well Ignorant at the same time....good work

no, that's exactly what you're being

any advice people have given you you've said nothing but "go back to 600 life glass cannon zons"

i'd appreciate you sticking to your expertise and stop categorizing good zons and "600 life glass cannon zons" together

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Mar 7 2008 12:12am
Quote (claudio @ Fri, Mar 7 2008, 01:09am)
nice, i have about 10 bowys

but 1 like this i never do, i will make it next week

i have all gear less coa with 2 x 40/15, i hate sock a coa with these 2 jewels, after i can use the coa in other char?

when i finish she i post here again, i will do he in europe ladder smile.gif


Sweet, would love to see her when she's finished. I know 2 people are currently in the works of building a zon from this guide and another Messaged me in game and showed me his, looked fantastic. Was like looking at a clone of myself lol

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Mar 7 2008 12:33am
Sorry about the double post, i meant to edit the previous post but hit reply by accident :-/

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3.7k life + 30dr >> 1.2k life with 75mb + 50dr

Wheres that 50% dr coming from? last i checked storm shield only had 35% :-p
The majority of barbs i duel use doomz with a ebotdz or other axe, ne aura would already kill off all my ias so the second wouldn't be much use short of slowing my walk speed down. Im not sure how it interacts with the passive skills. Maybe the dual doomz approach is more popular on west than east.


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no, that's exactly what you're being

any advice people have given you you've said nothing but "go back to 600 life glass cannon zons"

i'd appreciate you sticking to your expertise and stop categorizing good zons and "600 life glass cannon zons" together


Wow, a little erage. Just remember you don't have to like my build, actually you don't even have to read it!
Plus i don't think i ever said anything 600 life glass blah blah... but whatever you need to make up to get your point across is fine i guess.
Advice? lol, telling me how my Vita Bowzon guide is different than a Glass Cannon guide isn't that great of advice. Telling me that my strategy section is wrong because you duel a different way isn't advice. Goes back to that whole opinion thing. I don't mind if you have an opinion, i don't even mind if you share it with me, just don't say my guide is wrong because of it.

This post was edited by Spartikis on Mar 7 2008 12:40am
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Mar 7 2008 12:44am
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Wheres that 50% dr coming from? last i checked storm shield only had 35% :-p
The majority of barbs i duel use doomz with a ebotdz or other axe, ne aura would already kill off all my ias so the second wouldn't be much use short of slowing my walk speed down. Im not sure how it interacts with the passive skills. Maybe the dual doomz approach is more popular on west than east.

Sorry, it is my slight mistake, cuz I do not play zons at all. with a ber rune, it adds to 43dr. By the way, as I has stated, by dual weild doomz, the lvl 12 hf on each weapon stacks, making it lvl 24. Dual doomz has been around for a long time, all de4deye's bvc guide on jsp for example. You may want check out how much slow + radius that holy freeze gives at level 24. But I am pretty sure your realm has dual wield doomz barbs. It is seriously not new.

with superior tele'ing speed, zig-zaging spiral towards the zon, a bvc can escape lots of nl the zon attempts at the barb. Tracing ability on the arrow is not that scary if you are still out of screen tele'ing at fast speed towards the zon. The barb needs to be nl before the arrows turns deadly. But before the barb enters the screen, the radius would already have kicked in, at 19.3 yards, and 55% of slow, so he can afford to be nl, since anyway, the zon is dreadfully slowed, and it is always our delight if the zon do not sense danger and continues to tank. Just for your info.

This post was edited by Soka_Gakkai on Mar 7 2008 12:47am
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Mar 7 2008 01:13am
I duel on escnl and I always see bvcs throw on dual dooms so not really sure how you missed that one.
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Mar 7 2008 01:17am
SS + dungo's is 50dr on a dexazon

How? Don't follow that horrid fort build imo @@

100life/160/60 + 30ias rare circ + gloves is the bp :/

That is mike's (from d2pk) build, tanks alot ^^

Split the stats so you get 1.7-1.8k life and you keep > 5k damage
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