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#1091
Sep 6 2009 02:29pm
Quote (myfryhole @ Sun, 6 Sep 2009, 13:30)


I'd say a decent fools can easily cost you 1k fg that one isnt worth even close to that though.
a decent fools in my book= 2sin 3ls 2other skill mods 30+ias 100+ed 2os fools eth and self repairing
unfortunately I dont think I'm in the best position on jsp to answer you on the value of that claw.


That claw does not exist and if it did it would be a high 5 digit FG cost no doubt.
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#1092
Sep 6 2009 02:31pm
Quote (young2093 @ Sun, Sep 6 2009, 03:29pm)
That claw does not exist and if it did it would be a high 5 digit FG cost no doubt.


no its a goal for fools
my current is a 2/1 eth/repair 57ed 2os
I also use a 2os kb claw in some cases

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#1093
Sep 6 2009 02:34pm
Quote (young2093 @ Sun, Sep 6 2009, 12:26pm)
It is.


It is more than 30 damage per hit after pvp penalty (assuming max cm), that is more than worth it.
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#1094
Sep 6 2009 02:35pm
Quote (xSmithenatorx2 @ Sun, 6 Sep 2009, 14:34)
It is more than 30 damage per hit after pvp penalty (assuming max cm), that is more than worth it.


....That's hardly anything at all, definetly not worth stressing about or wasting stat points. If you have enough for it, by all means use Feral/Runics, but it will by no means make or break anything. What if you're not using maxed CM, as most hybrids tend to do?

Here's from Xepo:
Quote (Xepo @ Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 12:52)
Greater Talons versus Runic Talons
    Runic Talons have a higher base damage than GT's, damage = good, so people tend to use Runics. But, let's take a closer look at the actual difference between the two:

    We have to following:
    • Both claws with a 350% ED Chaos runeword in them.
    • Level 30 Claw Mastery (151% ED)
    • 120 Strength
    • 120 Dexterity

    The formulas to calculate a claw's damage (on-screen) are the following:
    • Statbonus: ([Dexterity x 0.0075] + [Strength x 0.0075] + 1)
    • Minimal Damage: {((Statbonus) + (%Enhanced Damage/100)) x Min-dmg on Weapon}
    • Maximal Damage: {(([Dex x 0.0075] + [Str x 0.0075] + 1) + (%Enhanced Damage)) x Max-dmg on Weapon}

    Lets start with the Greater Talon:
    • Min-dmg on Weapon: (21 * (3.5+1)) = 94,5 = 94
    • Max-dmg on Weapon: (35 * (3.5+1)) = 157,5 = 157
    • Statbonus: ([120 x 0.0075] + [120 x 0.0075] + 1) = 2.8
    • Minimal Damage: {((2.8) + (151/100)) x 94} = 405,14 = 405
    • Maximal Damage: {((2.8) + (151/100)) x 35} = 676,67 = 676
    So, this greater talon has a total damage of 405 - 676. That is an average of; (405+676)/2 = 540,5

    Lets move on with a Runic Talon:
    • Min-dmg on Weapon: (24 * (3.5+1)) = 108
    • Max-dmg on Weapon: (44 * (3.5+1)) = 198
    • Statbonus: ([120 x 0.0075] + [120 x 0.0075] + 1) = 2.8
    • Minimal Damage: {((2.8) + (151/100)) x 108} = 465,48 = 465
    • Maximal Damage: {((2.8) + (151/100)) x 198} = 853,38 = 863
    This runic has a total damage of 465 - 863. That is an average of; (465+863)/2 = 664

    Woah, so a runic has 123,5 more average damage?! Yes, too bad that is without the PvP penalty. After this penalty, the difference is only; (123,5*0,17) = 20,99 = 21. Add anoter 50% Damage reduction and we have a difference of only 10 damage.

    The damage difference between greater talons and runic talons is pathetic, on top of that, a runic talon requires way more strength and dexterity. This means that a greater talon is superior to a runic because it gives you way more options of gear swapping while still staying at base strength/dexterity.


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#1095
Sep 6 2009 02:39pm
30 damage over the many hitchecks present in ww and over a long duel than adds up (especially in sin v sin).

If you aren't using max cm then why would you use the runics in the first place? A high cm hybrid will want more ww damage and use a runic, a non cm hybrid probably won't care about his ww damage either way and use a gt regardless of the damage differences.

I've seen xepo's post, thank you. I've seen it posted by every guide kid in the last 3 years -.-
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#1096
Sep 6 2009 02:43pm
Quote (xSmithenatorx2 @ Sun, 6 Sep 2009, 14:39)
30 damage over the many hitchecks present in ww and over a long duel than adds up (especially in sin v sin).

If you aren't using max cm then why would you use the runics in the first place? A high cm hybrid will want more ww damage and use a runic, a non cm hybrid probably won't care about his ww damage either way and use a gt regardless of the damage differences.

I've seen xepo's post, thank you. I've seen it posted by every guide kid in the last 3 years -.-


You'd think it would stick considering you're advocating a waste of stat points for..21 extra damage per hit at the most? THAT is laughable. Considering how most WWsins use bleed tactics and massive OWs on nearly ALL setups, over the course of a duel takcing on an extra....21 damage....will be such a miniscule difference that almost EVERY time it won't be a difference at all.
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#1097
Sep 6 2009 02:45pm
Quote (xSmithenatorx2 @ Sun, 6 Sep 2009, 23:39)
30 damage over the many hitchecks present in ww and over a long duel than adds up (especially in sin v sin).

If you aren't using max cm then why would you use the runics in the first place?  A high cm hybrid will want more ww damage and use a runic, a non cm hybrid probably won't care about his ww damage either way and use a gt regardless of the damage differences.

I've seen xepo's post, thank you.  I've seen it posted by every guide kid in the last 3 years -.-


whoa the theorycrafting. over a long duel, 100 base energy saves more gold because less manapots need to be consumed.
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#1098
Sep 6 2009 02:48pm
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whoa the theorycrafting. over a long duel, 100 base energy saves more gold because less manapots need to be consumed.


I thought you left the forums? Besides, he is theory crafting just as heavily as I am.
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#1099
Sep 6 2009 02:50pm
Quote (xSmithenatorx2 @ Sun, 6 Sep 2009, 23:48)
I thought you left the forums?  Besides, he is theory crafting just as heavily as I am.


and..? i can't pop around occasionally?

edit: and apparently make a fool out of meself with the metagame being whole lot different and pvp apparently more hackfilled and generally noobier.

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#1100
Sep 6 2009 02:51pm
Quote (xSmithenatorx2 @ Sun, 6 Sep 2009, 14:48)
I thought you left the forums? Besides, he is theory crafting just as heavily as I am.


Argument is pointless, AGAIN one of those things that will boil down to preference.
Because you tend to like a heavier WW damaging Hybrid, you will sacrifice those few stats for a minor WW damage increase.
Because I tend to play with a 1 pt CM and more LS damage, I'll tend to let a little extra WW damage go for some other bonuses.
All good :)
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